Do you believe in human rights? Where do you get such a notion? And if not, where do you get the idea that you have any business saying anything at all about Putin, Russia and Ukraine?You're being coy. How cute.
Why, if you had the power?"Society" does already. I see nothing wrong in that - though I'd probably draw the line at punishing people just because they don't like the football team I support.
Evasion. Loaded term is a loaded term.I'd say not. Persecution is such a loaded term, I wouldn't use it.
I asked you first. This is important. Your habit is to interrogate everyone else and yield nothing about yourself. A page or two back, I took the trouble to respond comprehensively to one of your posts. I guess it was sub par as I've not had any kind of reply.Do you believe in human rights? Where do you get such a notion? And if not, where do you get the idea that you have any business saying anything at all about Putin, Russia and Ukraine?
It's not an evasion. I try to avoid using loaded terms, though I dare say I fail miserably.Evasion. Loaded term is a loaded term.
I recall hearing the same rhetoric just before the war in Iraq, a decade after the war in Kuwait.There's a hell of a lot of intellectual explanation, posturing, and half-baked justification for what's behind this current situation, or "whataboutism", as it has been so succinctly named, going on here. I find it immensely disturbing to read these things, when not only is a sovereign state being wiped off the map, but also our very way of life and even existence, is being threatened.
OK I think the thread has run its course now.Forster said:And the climate crisis hasn't gone away either.
We don't have to go back to the 1930's. The USA has been involved in many invasions, and supported insurgencies and coups which have destablised legitimate governments and similarly crossed the line of national sovereignty. Often, their allies are just as bad - or arguably worse - than their enemies. How about a historical list of people they helped put into power? It could include Mobutu, Pinochet, Suharto. I can go on.Again we are treated to a glutinous fog of an invented moral equivalency between the 1930s West and Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany. As only one example of the deadly ferocity of Stalin's Soviet Union (somewhat equal with Hitler's Night of the Long Knives), is this account of the deadly purge of the Soviet army in the later 1930s....
"[O]ut of eighty members of the 1934 Military Soviet only five were left in September 1938. All eleven Deputy Commissars for Defense were eliminated. Every commander of a military district...had been executed by the summer of 1938. Thirteen out of fifteen army commanders, fifty-seven out of eighty-five corps commanders, 110 put of 195 divisional commanders. 220 out of 406 brigade commanders, were executed. But the greatest numerical loss was borne in the Soviet officer corps from the rank of colonel downward and extending to company commander level." (Alan Clark: Barbarossa)
I am unaware of similar spasms of domestic murder committed by the West in those years (or ever). This zeal to establish a moral equivalence between Russia and the West reflects a profound ignorance of history. Odd that the perceived persecution of Netrebko and Gergiev has spawned such a torrent of (as Woodduck notes) spurious WhatAboutism seeking to conflate the relative insignificant discomforting of N and G or the misguided appeasement by the West with the real horrors of pre-war Russia and Germany and Putin's continuing criminality.