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This thread will have the goal of updating the Talk Classical Top 272 Recommended Operas since five years have passed from the last voting and many new members and opera fans have appeared in this forum. Also, the new load of Opera recordings, especially on Video format, make it an obligation to provide a new list of recommendations

The goal of the project:

  • The TalkClassical members with a wide variety of interests and experiences can reach a consensus on the top works from a variety of musical forms.
  • This process should lead to some interesting debate and discussion regarding these various specialized areas of music.
  • These lists may be used as reference points for both newcomers and long-time classical listeners to the world of classical music and to specific areas of classical music as defined by these lists.
  • These lists are not definitive or official by any means and please do not interpret them as such.
It's understandable and respectable the fact that not all of us enjoy lists and polls, but we ask that you refrain from criticisms here in respect for those of us who do.

Discussion, comments, and questions can all be handled in this thread, where we have been discussing the need and the necessary voting process.

Requirements for works nominated:

  1. The work must be part of the Operatic tradition. Musicals will not be considered.
  2. Operettas and one-act Operas are both allowed to be nominated.
  3. Cycles of Operas such as Richard Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen and Karlheinz Stockhausen's Licht are to be voted on as singular works, not by their individual operas. However, for this time, considering the musical and thematic difference between the three operas, and especially the number of spare recordings, Giacomo Puccini's Il Trittico will be voted in three one-act Operas.
  4. A general consensus will determine any points of ambiguity.
Voting process:

To those new to the voting process, we will do a two-step voting process and build up the list 20 works at a time (a list of 10 was used for the 2015 edition). This allows people to continually review works as the project goes along instead of voting for everything in one shot.

  1. First round is the nomination round where people can nominate up to 20 works. The top 10 works from the nomination round become the next 10 works on the list, though their final ordering is determined by the second round.
  2. Second round is the voting round, where people vote for their five favourites of the top 10 works from the first round. This is so that all voters can have input in the final order.
The scoring method is as follows:

Nomination round:

The points are determined by the ranking of each work as it was initially nominated. 25 points for the work in first, 24 for second, 23 for third, and so on with the twentieth work receiving 6. This method is to weigh in both the ranking and the number of times the work was nominated. So, a nominated work that appears first on three lists would beat out a work that is nominated tenth on 7 different lists.

Voting round:

The scoring is quite similar for the voting round with the works receiving 7, 6, 5, 4, and 3 points in the respective rank that they are voted in. The last work in the voting round will receive 3 points no matter what, so if a vote has only 3 works listed, than the works will receive 5, 4, and 3 points, respective to their order. Again, the reason behind this method is to create a balance between the number of times the work is nominated and its rank.

Honourable mentions:

At the end of the project, we also like to keep a list of honourable mentions containing every work that was nominated but didn't make the final list. Hence in the very last nomination round we give people 30 votes instead of 20 to collect more recommendations. Even if some of your works do not make the final list, your input is valued.

All participants are welcome to join! Please don't hesitate to ask questions and let the fun begin! Thanks to all the runners of the previous TC Top Recommended lists, especially since this is an adaptation of Faustian's introduction text.

Voting round times:

Since a Western European seems to be running the voting process of a mainly American forum, time zones will be problematic. Voting rounds (1-2 each 10 positions) should go week by week. 1st round from monday to sunday and the second round during weekends. The more advanced the voting process is the more scrict I should get with the timings. In California is Midnight at the time it's 9 o clock in Spain (thus I'm at the office), so votes will be admited in each second round until 00:00 GMT -8, but once that round is finished, it will be impossible to start the next voting round until some time in the European afternoon when votes are collected and published, that is some time in a Monday morning in America.

To sum up this: 7 days for each 10 positions (5 days roughly for 1st round, 2nd round ended by Far West midnight).

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So far as it has been discussed in the sub-forum, the results of the recommended recordings for each one of the 100 most voted operas won't be shown by opera rank this time, but in order of premiere date. Please voice your mind there if you want and haven't already.
 

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In order to spread the word about this important poll, we should give 12 days (1 week + 5 days) to settle the most important round of all, the 1st, which will show the forum's most favourite operas in history.

Notice that the OP, in this poll and the recordings one, is made to give the first vote always.

Positions 1-10 - Round 1 ends roughly by Friday 29th, so merry Thanksgiving.
 

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  1. Verdi - Aida
  2. Wagner - Parsifal
  3. Verdi - Don Carlo
  4. Mussorgky - Boris Godunov
  5. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
  6. Debussy - Pélléas et Mélisande
  7. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
  8. Verdi - Simon Boccanegra
  9. Puccini - Turandot
  10. Wagner - Lohengrin
  11. Verdi - La Traviata
  12. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
  13. R. Strauss - Salome
  14. Verdi - La Forza del Destino
  15. Wagner - Der Fliegende Holländer
  16. Tchaikovsky - Pique Dame
  17. R. Strauss - Elektra
  18. Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle
  19. Puccini - Madama Butterfly
  20. Verdi - Otello
 

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1 Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg
2 Bartók - Duke Bluebeard's Castle
3 Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
4 Gluck - Orphée et Euridice
5 Poulenc - Dialogue des Carmélites
6 Bizet - Carmen
7 Britten - Peter Grimes
8 Wagner - Lohengrin
9 Schoenberg - Moses und Aron
10 Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
11 Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten
12 Offenbach - Les Contes d'Hoffmann
13 Verdi - Macbeth
14 Weber - Der Freischütz
15 Strauss - Elektra
16 Berg - Wozzeck
17 Verdi - Otello
18 Britten - Billy Budd
19 Strauss - Daphne
20 Verdi - Il Trovatore
 

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1. Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen
2. Mozart: Don Giovanni
3. Bizet: Carmen
4. Wagner: Tristan und Isolde
5. Verdi: Aida

6. Mozart: Le Nozze di Figaro
7. Verdi: La Traviata
8. Verdi: Otello
9. Verdi: Rigoletto
10. Strauss: Salome

11. Puccini: Madama Butterfly
12. Purcell: Dido and Aeneas
13. Handel: Giulio Cesare
14. Rossini: Il Barbiere di Siviglia
15. Strauss: Elekttra

16. Strauss: Der Rosenkavalier
17. Puccini: Tosca
18. Puccini: La Boheme
19. Mozart: Die Zauberflote
20. Wagner: Parsifal
 

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1. Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
2. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
3. Weber - Der Freischütz
4. Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier
5. Handel - Giulio Cesare
6. Beethoven - Fidelio
7. Mozart - Marriage of Figaro
8. Mozart - Così fan tutte
9. Wagner - Parsifal
10. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
11. Wagner - Der Fliegende Holländer
12. Berlioz - Les Troyens
13. Verdi - La Traviata
14. Verdi - Aida
15. Mozart - Don Giovanni
16. Debussy - Pélléas et Mélisande
17. Wagner - Lohengrin
18. Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov
19. Dvorák - Rusalka
20. Handel - Tamerlano
 

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1. Mozart: Le Nozze di Figaro
2. Glass: Einstein on the Beach
3. Berg: Wozzeck
4. Wagner: Tristan und Isolde
5. Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen
6. Monteverdi: L'Orfeo
7. Verdi: Otello
8. Bartók: Bluebeard's Castle
9. Mozart: Don Giovanni
10. Mozart: Die Zauberflöte
11. Debussy: Pelléas et Mélisande
12. Saariaho: L'Amour de loin
13. Weber: Der Freischütz
14. Schoenberg: Moses und Aron
15. Ligeti: Le Grand Macabre
16. Messiaen: Saint François d'Assise
17. Adams: Nixon in China
18. Vinci: Artaserse
19. Glass: Akhnaten
20. Furrer: FAMA
 

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1. Puccini: Tosca
2. Verdi: Aida
3. Mozart: The Magic Flute
4. Puccini: Madama Butterfly
5. Puccini: Suor Angelica
6. Wagner: Tannhauser
7. Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen
8. Dvorák: Rusalka
9. Mozart: Don Giovanni
10. Monteverdi: L'incoronazione di Poppea
11. Cavalli: La Calisto
12. Puccini: Turandot
13. Verdi: Traviata
14. Boito: Mefistofele
15. Rossini: The Barber of Seville
16. Vivaldi: La fida ninfa
17. Monteverdi: Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria
18. Bartók: Bluebeard’s Castle
19. Rossini: La Cenerentola
20. Verdi: Otello
 

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1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
2. Puccini - Tosca
3. Puccini - Madama Butterfly
4. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
5. Wagner - Parsifal
6. Strauss, R - Salome
7. Puccini - La Boheme
8. Debussy - Pelleas et Melisande
9. Britten - Death in Venice
10. Britten - Peter Grimes
11. Wagner - Lohengrin
12. Gounod - Faust
13. Boughton - The immortal hour
14. Mascagni - Cavalleria Rusticana
15. Leoncavallo - Pagliacci
16. Wagner - Tannhäuser
17. d'Albert - Tiefland
18. Bellini - Norma
19. Boito - Mefistofele
20. Donizetti - Lucia di Lammermoor
 

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1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
2. Mozart - The Marriage of Figaro
3. Strauss - Salome
4. Mozart - The Magic Flute
5. Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nurnburg
6. Puccini - La Bourne
7. Puccini - Tosca
8. Puccini - Madama Butterfly
9. Verdi - La Traviata
10. Bizet - Carmen
11. Verdi - Rigoletto
12. Verdi - Otello
13. Bellini - Norma
14. Beethoven - Fidelio
15. Strauss - Der Rosenkevalier
16. Verdi - Aida
17. Monteverdi - L’Orfeo
18. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
19. Puccini - Turandot
20. Dvorak - Rusalka
 

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1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
2. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
3. Wagner - Parsifal
4. Berlioz - Les Troyens
5. Verdi - Aida
6. Wagner - Lohengrin
7. Mozart - The Magic Flute
8. Verdi - Otello
9. Beethoven - Fidelio
10. Debussy - Pélléas et Mélisande
11. Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nurnburg
12. Puccini - Turandot
13. Verdi - Falstaff
14. Wagner - Tannhäuser
15. Borodin - Prince Igor
16. Delibes - Lakmé
17. Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov
18. Wagner - Der Fliegende Holländer
19. Mozart - The Marriage of Figaro
20. Tchaikovsky - The Queen of Spades
 

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1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
2. Bellini - Beatrice di Tenda
3. Bellini - I Capuleti e i Montecchi
4. Verdi - La Traviata
5. Puccini - Madama Butterfly
6. Donizetti - Anna Bolena
7. Tchaikovsky - Iolanta
8. Rossini - Turco in Italia
9. Verdi - Don Carlo (or Don Carlos)
10. Donizetti - L'elisir d'amore
11. Cherubini - Medea (or Medee)
12. Wagner - Tannhäuser
13. Bellini - Norma
14. Wagner - Parsifal
15. Rossini - Guglielmo Tell (or Guillaume Tell!)
16. Puccini - Tosca
17. Donizetti - Maria Stuarda
18. Verdi - Macbeth
19. Verdi - La forza del destino
20. Strauss - Elektra

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I have a question.

Once the first round is over and the first ten are chosen and ranked in order. Can I then nominate one of my choices again if it hasn't made it through? Or are the points rolled over to the next round and if other people nominate it, it might make it into the top ten that time?

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1. Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
2. Puccini - Tosca
3. Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
4. Puccini - Madama Butterfly
5. Saint-Saëns - Samson and Delilah
6. Mussorgsky - Boris Godunov
7. Wagner - Parsifal
8. Gounod - Faust
9. Borodin - Prince Igor
10. Rimsky-Korsakov - The Legend of the Invisible City of Kitezh and the Maiden Fevroniya
11. Wagner - Lohengrin
12. Puccini - Turandot
13. Glinka - Ruslan and Lyudmila
14. Verdi - Aida
15. Purcell - Dido and Aeneas
16. Smetana - The Bartered Bride
17. Britten - The Turn of the Screw
18. Donizetti - L'Elisir d'Amore
19. Janáček - From the House of the Dead
20. Bellini - Norma
 

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1.) Mozart - Le nozze di Figaro
2.) Verdi - La traviata
3.) Mozart - Don Giovanni
4.) Puccini - Madama Butterfly
5.) Berlioz - Les Troyens
6.) Verdi - Don Carlo
7.) Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
8.) Puccini - Tosca
9.) Verdi - Rigoletto
10.) Verdi - Otello
11.) Puccini - La bohème
12.) Debussy - Pelléas et Mélisande
13.) Verdi - Macbeth
14.) Donizetti - Lucia di Lammermoor
15.) Verdi - La forza del destino
16.) Puccini - Turandot
17.) Donizetti - L'elisir d'amore
18.) Verdi - Falstaff
19.) Rossini - Guillaume Tell
20.) Bellini -Norma
 

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1. Wagner - Tannhäuser
2. Verdi - Attila
3. Bellini - Norma
4. Bellini - Sonnambula
5. Wagner - Rienzi
6. Wagner - Parsifal
7. Ponchielli - Gioconda
8. Berlioz - La Damnation de Faust
9. Borodin - Prince Igor
10. Wagner - Tristan & Isolde
11. Korngold - Das Wunder der Heliane
12. Donizetti - Lucia de Lammermoor
13. Boito - Mephistopheles.
14. Fibich - Sarka.
15. Janacek - Katja Kabanova
16. Tschaikowsky - Eugene Onegin
17. Tschaikowsky - Pique Dame.
18. Verdi- Rigoletto
19. Verdi - Luisa Miller
20. Gounod - Faust
 

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Once the first round is over and the first ten are chosen and ranked in order. Can I then nominate one of my choices again if it hasn't made it through?
Yes. Out of the ones not selected and ranked yet, keep voting for your 20 favourite.

Or are the points rolled over to the next round and if other people nominate it, it might make it into the top ten that time?
No... We never talked about this. We are supposed to erased the ranked ones from the list and keep giving our top 20s until we ran out of operas to rank or we already have the 100 best ranked operas and proceed to the round of honourable mentions.
 

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Thinking about starting an Opera Hall of Fame to go along with this list, would anyone be interested?
 

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Thinking about starting an Opera Hall of Fame to go along with this list, would anyone be interested?
Sounds redundant; could lead to opera overdose.

Another thought - in your current Hall of Fame game, a few participants have picked works that they admit don't even make their own hall of fame.
 

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Sounds redundant; could lead to opera overdose.

Another thought - in your current Hall of Fame game, a few participants have picked works that they admit don't even make their own hall of fame.
Well, the idea is more for people who might want to bring awareness to a particular opera, so it's almost a companion/support piece for this thread.

Not quite sure what yku mean with the second statement...
 
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