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Hello members, instead of the Games sub-forum, I will post this thread in the main forum to increase both participation and my headaches, now that there isn't any bank holiday in Spain and I have to work 5 days of the week. With Positions 1-20 "mostly) decided, it's time to nominate your 20 operas for the next round. Read the rules here if you haven't already.
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This thread will have the goal of updating the Talk Classical Top 272 Recommended Operas since five years have passed from the last voting and many new members and opera fans have appeared in this forum. Also, the new load of Opera recordings, especially on Video format, make it an obligation to provide a new list of recommendations
The goal of the project:
Discussion, comments, and questions can all be handled in this thread, where we have been discussing the need and the necessary voting process.
Requirements for works nominated:
To those new to the voting process, we will do a two-step voting process and build up the list 20 works at a time (a list of 10 was used for the 2015 edition). This allows people to continually review works as the project goes along instead of voting for everything in one shot.
Nomination round:
The points are determined by the ranking of each work as it was initially nominated. 25 points for the work in first, 24 for second, 23 for third, and so on with the twentieth work receiving 6. This method is to weigh in both the ranking and the number of times the work was nominated. So, a nominated work that appears first on three lists would beat out a work that is nominated tenth on 7 different lists.
Voting round:
The scoring is quite similar for the voting round with the works receiving 7, 6, 5, 4, and 3 points in the respective rank that they are voted in. The last work in the voting round will receive 3 points no matter what, so if a vote has only 3 works listed, than the works will receive 5, 4, and 3 points, respective to their order. Again, the reason behind this method is to create a balance between the number of times the work is nominated and its rank.
Honourable mentions:
At the end of the project, we also like to keep a list of honourable mentions containing every work that was nominated but didn't make the final list. Hence in the very last nomination round we give people 30 votes instead of 20 to collect more recommendations. Even if some of your works do not make the final list, your input is valued.
All participants are welcome to join! Please don't hesitate to ask questions and let the fun begin! Thanks to all the runners of the previous TC Top Recommended lists, especially since this is an adaptation of Faustian's introduction text.
Voting round times:
Since a Western European seems to be running the voting process of a mainly American forum, time zones will be problematic. Voting rounds (1-2 each 10 positions) should go week by week. 1st round from monday to sunday and the second round during weekends. The more advanced the voting process is the more scrict I should get with the timings. In California is Midnight at the time it's 9 o clock in Spain (thus I'm at the office), so votes will be admited in each second round until 00:00 PST (GMT -8), but once that round is finished, it will be impossible to start the next voting round until some time in the European afternoon when votes are collected and published, that is some time in a Monday morning in America.
To sum up this: 7 days for each 10 positions (5 days roughly for 1st round, 2nd round ended by Far West midnight).
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So far as it has been discussed in the sub-forum, the results of the recommended recordings for each one of the 100 most voted operas won't be shown by opera rank this time, but in order of premiere date. Please voice your mind there if you want and haven't already.
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Works already qualified and that you cannot nominate from now on:
Mozart - Le Nozze di Figaro
Mozart - Don Giovanni
Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
Bellini - Norma
Wagner - Tannhäuser
Wagner - Lohengrin
Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
Wagner - Parsifal
Verdi - La traviata
Verdi - La forza del Destino
Verdi - Don Carlo(s)
Verdi - Aida
Verdi - Otello
Debussy - Pelléas et Mélisande
Puccini - La Bohème
Puccini - Tosca
Puccini - Madama Butterfly
Puccini - La Fanciulla del West
Puccini - Turandot
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Nomination Round for Positions 21-30 should start in about 9 hours (Monday 9th December 00:00 PST) and last roughly until friday 13 included, being the Voting round the whole weekend as always.
I will put the link of the first thread as soon as a mod can change its title. Please, if you care much more about the Recordings poll, make sure your favourite opera makes it to the top 100. The results this time won't show the rank and no one will complain about if one opera is placed higher than the other, because it will be performance rather than musical competition.
[HR][/HR]
This thread will have the goal of updating the Talk Classical Top 272 Recommended Operas since five years have passed from the last voting and many new members and opera fans have appeared in this forum. Also, the new load of Opera recordings, especially on Video format, make it an obligation to provide a new list of recommendations
The goal of the project:
- The TalkClassical members with a wide variety of interests and experiences can reach a consensus on the top works from a variety of musical forms.
- This process should lead to some interesting debate and discussion regarding these various specialized areas of music.
- These lists may be used as reference points for both newcomers and long-time classical listeners to the world of classical music and to specific areas of classical music as defined by these lists.
- These lists are not definitive or official by any means and please do not interpret them as such.
Discussion, comments, and questions can all be handled in this thread, where we have been discussing the need and the necessary voting process.
Requirements for works nominated:
- The work must be part of the Operatic tradition. Musicals will not be considered.
- Operettas and one-act Operas are both allowed to be nominated.
- Cycles of Operas such as Richard Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen and Karlheinz Stockhausen's Licht are to be voted on as singular works, not by their individual operas. However, for this time, considering the musical and thematic difference between the three operas, and especially the number of spare recordings, Giacomo Puccini's Il Trittico will be voted in three one-act Operas.
- A general consensus will determine any points of ambiguity.
To those new to the voting process, we will do a two-step voting process and build up the list 20 works at a time (a list of 10 was used for the 2015 edition). This allows people to continually review works as the project goes along instead of voting for everything in one shot.
- First round is the nomination round where people can nominate up to 20 works. The top 10 works from the nomination round become the next 10 works on the list, though their final ordering is determined by the second round.
- Second round is the voting round, where people vote for their five favourites of the top 10 works from the first round. This is so that all voters can have input in the final order.
Nomination round:
The points are determined by the ranking of each work as it was initially nominated. 25 points for the work in first, 24 for second, 23 for third, and so on with the twentieth work receiving 6. This method is to weigh in both the ranking and the number of times the work was nominated. So, a nominated work that appears first on three lists would beat out a work that is nominated tenth on 7 different lists.
Voting round:
The scoring is quite similar for the voting round with the works receiving 7, 6, 5, 4, and 3 points in the respective rank that they are voted in. The last work in the voting round will receive 3 points no matter what, so if a vote has only 3 works listed, than the works will receive 5, 4, and 3 points, respective to their order. Again, the reason behind this method is to create a balance between the number of times the work is nominated and its rank.
Honourable mentions:
At the end of the project, we also like to keep a list of honourable mentions containing every work that was nominated but didn't make the final list. Hence in the very last nomination round we give people 30 votes instead of 20 to collect more recommendations. Even if some of your works do not make the final list, your input is valued.
All participants are welcome to join! Please don't hesitate to ask questions and let the fun begin! Thanks to all the runners of the previous TC Top Recommended lists, especially since this is an adaptation of Faustian's introduction text.
Voting round times:
Since a Western European seems to be running the voting process of a mainly American forum, time zones will be problematic. Voting rounds (1-2 each 10 positions) should go week by week. 1st round from monday to sunday and the second round during weekends. The more advanced the voting process is the more scrict I should get with the timings. In California is Midnight at the time it's 9 o clock in Spain (thus I'm at the office), so votes will be admited in each second round until 00:00 PST (GMT -8), but once that round is finished, it will be impossible to start the next voting round until some time in the European afternoon when votes are collected and published, that is some time in a Monday morning in America.
To sum up this: 7 days for each 10 positions (5 days roughly for 1st round, 2nd round ended by Far West midnight).
[HR][/HR]
So far as it has been discussed in the sub-forum, the results of the recommended recordings for each one of the 100 most voted operas won't be shown by opera rank this time, but in order of premiere date. Please voice your mind there if you want and haven't already.
[HR][/HR]
Works already qualified and that you cannot nominate from now on:
Mozart - Le Nozze di Figaro
Mozart - Don Giovanni
Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
Bellini - Norma
Wagner - Tannhäuser
Wagner - Lohengrin
Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
Wagner - Parsifal
Verdi - La traviata
Verdi - La forza del Destino
Verdi - Don Carlo(s)
Verdi - Aida
Verdi - Otello
Debussy - Pelléas et Mélisande
Puccini - La Bohème
Puccini - Tosca
Puccini - Madama Butterfly
Puccini - La Fanciulla del West
Puccini - Turandot
[HR][/HR]
Nomination Round for Positions 21-30 should start in about 9 hours (Monday 9th December 00:00 PST) and last roughly until friday 13 included, being the Voting round the whole weekend as always.
I will put the link of the first thread as soon as a mod can change its title. Please, if you care much more about the Recordings poll, make sure your favourite opera makes it to the top 100. The results this time won't show the rank and no one will complain about if one opera is placed higher than the other, because it will be performance rather than musical competition.
