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This thread will have the goal of updating the Talk Classical Top 272 Recommended Operas since five years have passed from the last voting and many new members and opera fans have appeared in this forum. Also, the new load of Opera recordings, especially on Video format, make it an obligation to provide a new list of recommendations

The goal of the project:

  • The TalkClassical members with a wide variety of interests and experiences can reach a consensus on the top works from a variety of musical forms.
  • This process should lead to some interesting debate and discussion regarding these various specialized areas of music.
  • These lists may be used as reference points for both newcomers and long-time classical listeners to the world of classical music and to specific areas of classical music as defined by these lists.
  • These lists are not definitive or official by any means and please do not interpret them as such.
It's understandable and respectable the fact that not all of us enjoy lists and polls, but we ask that you refrain from criticisms here in respect for those of us who do.

Discussion, comments, and questions can all be handled in this thread, where we have been discussing the need and the necessary voting process.

Requirements for works nominated:

  1. The work must be part of the Operatic tradition. Musicals will not be considered.
  2. Operettas and one-act Operas are both allowed to be nominated.
  3. Cycles of Operas such as Richard Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen and Karlheinz Stockhausen's Licht are to be voted on as singular works, not by their individual operas. However, for this time, considering the musical and thematic difference between the three operas, and especially the number of spare recordings, Giacomo Puccini's Il Trittico will be voted in three one-act Operas.
  4. A general consensus will determine any points of ambiguity.
Voting process:

To those new to the voting process, we will do a two-step voting process and build up the list 20 works at a time (a list of 10 was used for the 2015 edition). This allows people to continually review works as the project goes along instead of voting for everything in one shot.

  1. First round is the nomination round where people can nominate up to 20 works. The top 10 works from the nomination round become the next 10 works on the list, though their final ordering is determined by the second round.
  2. Second round is the voting round, where people vote for their five favourites of the top 10 works from the first round. This is so that all voters can have input in the final order.
The scoring method is as follows:

Nomination round:

The points are determined by the ranking of each work as it was initially nominated. 25 points for the work in first, 24 for second, 23 for third, and so on with the twentieth work receiving 6. This method is to weigh in both the ranking and the number of times the work was nominated. So, a nominated work that appears first on three lists would beat out a work that is nominated tenth on 7 different lists.

Voting round:

The scoring is quite similar for the voting round with the works receiving 7, 6, 5, 4, and 3 points in the respective rank that they are voted in. The last work in the voting round will receive 3 points no matter what, so if a vote has only 3 works listed, than the works will receive 5, 4, and 3 points, respective to their order. Again, the reason behind this method is to create a balance between the number of times the work is nominated and its rank.

Honourable mentions:

At the end of the project, we also like to keep a list of honourable mentions containing every work that was nominated but didn't make the final list. Hence in the very last nomination round we give people 30 votes instead of 20 to collect more recommendations. Even if some of your works do not make the final list, your input is valued.

All participants are welcome to join! Please don't hesitate to ask questions and let the fun begin! Thanks to all the runners of the previous TC Top Recommended lists, especially since this is an adaptation of Faustian's introduction text.

Voting round times:

Since a Western European seems to be running the voting process of a mainly American forum, time zones will be problematic. Voting rounds (1-2 each 10 positions) should go week by week. 1st round from monday to sunday and the second round during weekends. The more advanced the voting process is the more scrict I should get with the timings. In California is Midnight at the time it's 9 o clock in Spain (thus I'm at the office), so votes will be admited in each second round until 00:00 PST (GMT -8), but once that round is finished, it will be impossible to start the next voting round until some time in the European afternoon when votes are collected and published, that is some time in a Monday morning in America.

To sum up this: 7 days for each 10 positions (5 days roughly for 1st round, 2nd round ended by Far West midnight).

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So far as it has been discussed in the sub-forum, the results of the recommended recordings for each one of the 100 most voted operas won't be shown by opera rank this time, but in order of premiere date. Please voice your mind there if you want and haven't already.

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Works already qualified and that you cannot nominate from now on:

Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle
Beethoven - Fidelio
Bellini - Norma
Bellini - La sonnambula
Bizet - Carmen
Debussy - Pelléas et Mélisande
Donizetti - Lucia di Lammermoor
Leoncavallo - Pagliacci
Mascagni - Cavalleria Rusticana
Mozart - Le Nozze di Figaro
Mozart - Don Giovanni
Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
Mussorgky - Boris Godunov
Puccini - La Bohème
Puccini - Tosca
Puccini - Madama Butterfly
Puccini - La Fanciulla del West
Puccini - Suor Angelica
Puccini - Turandot
Rossini - Il Barbiere di Siviglia
R. Strauss - Salome
R. Strauss - Elektra
Tchaikovsky - Eugene Onegin
Verdi - Macbeth
Verdi - Il trovatore
Verdi - Rigoletto
Verdi - La traviata
Verdi - La forza del Destino
Verdi - Don Carlo(s)
Verdi - Simon Boccanegra
Verdi - Aida
Verdi - Otello
Wagner - Der Fliegende Holländer
Wagner - Tannhäuser
Wagner - Lohengrin
Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg
Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
Wagner - Parsifal
Weber - Der Freischütz

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Nomination Round for Positions 41-50 should start in about 9 hours (Monday 23rd December 00:00 PST) and last roughly until Friday 27th included, being the Voting round the whole weekend as always.
 

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1. Britten - Death in Venice
2. Britten - Peter Grimes
3. Gounod - Faust
4. Boughton - The immortal hour
5. d'Albert - Tiefland
6. Boito - Mefistofele
7. Dvorak - Rusalka
8. Mascagni - L'amico Fritz
9. Gounod - Romeo et Juliet
10. Chausson - Le roi Arthus
11. Chabrier - Le roi malgré lui
12. Alwyn - Miss Julie
13. Puccini - Gianni Schicchi
14. Janacek - Janufa
15. Janacek - The Cunning Little Vixen
16. Puccini - Il Tabarro
17. Britten - Billy Budd
18. Janacek - Káťa Kabanová
19. Shostakovich - Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District
20. Smyth - The Wreckers
 

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  1. Tchaikovsky - Pique Dame
  2. Puccini - Manon Lescaut
  3. Janacek - Jenufa
  4. Gounod - Faust
  5. Mozart - Così fan Tutte
  6. Massenet - Thaïs
  7. Gounod - Roméo et Juliette
  8. Tchaikovsky - Iolanta
  9. Verdi - Nabucco
  10. Verdi - Ernani
  11. Mozart - La Clemenza di Tito
  12. Mozart - Idomeneo
  13. Prokofiev - War and Peace
  14. Shostakovich - Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk
  15. R. Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier
  16. Verdi - Un Ballo in Maschera
  17. Boito - Mefistofele
  18. Offenbach - Les Contes d'Hoffmann
  19. Dvorak - Rusalka
  20. Berlioz - Les Troyens
 

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2. Donizetti - Maria Stuarda
3. Mascagni - L'amico Fritz
4. Lehar - Land des Lachelns
5. Pergolesi - La Serva Padrona
6. Donizetti - L'elisir d'Amore
7. Donizetti - La Fille Du Regiment
8. Bellini - I Capuleti e i Montecchi
9. Monteverdi - Il Ritorno D'Ulisse in Patria
10. Paisiello - Nina, o sia La pazza per amore
11. Rossini - La Cenerentola
12. Donizetti - Roberto Devereux
13. Marschner -Der Vampyr
14. Handel - Alcina
15. Saint-Saëns - Henry VIII
16. Menotti - Globolinks
17. Donizetti - Anna Bolena
18. Tchaikovsky - Iolanta
19. Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten
20. Balfe - Bohemian Girl
 

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1) Beatrice di Tenda
2) L'elisir d'amore
3) Iolanta
4) Pique Dame
5) Turco in Italia
6) Dialogues des Carmelites
7)I Capuleti e i Montecchi
8) La Cenerentola
9) Maria Stuarda
10) Stiffelio
11) Faust
12) La Fille du regiment
13) Der Frau ohne Schatten
14) Nabucco
15) Il Pirata
16) Anna Bolena
17) Adriana Lecouvreur
18) Guillaume Tell
19) Ruslan i Lyudmila
20) Attila

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2. Monteverdi - L'incoronazione di Poppea
3. Cavalli - La Calisto
4. Boito - Mefistofele
5. Vivaldi - La fida ninfa
6. Monteverdi - Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria
7. Rossini - La Cenerentola
8. Cavalli - Eliogabalo
9. Mascagni - L'amico Fritz
10. Lachenmann - Das Mädchen mit den Schwefelhölzern
11. Janáček - The Cunning Little Vixen
12. Delibes - Lakme
13. Stockhausen - Licht
14. Vivaldi - Bajazed
15. R. Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier
16. Purcell - Dido and Aeneas
17. Puccini - Gianni Schicchi
18. Massenet - Thaïs
19. Puccini - Manon Lescaut
20. Gluck - Orpheus and Eurydice
 

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5. Lehar The Merry Widow
6. Saint Saens Samson and Delilah
7. Strauss Rosekavalier
8. Stravinsky Rake’s Progress
9. Purcell Dido and Aeneas
10. Offenbach Tales of Hoffman
11. Boito Mephistopheles
12. Rimsky-Korsakov Sadko
13. Gershwin Porgy and Bess
14. Massenet Manon
15. Janacek Janufu
16. Dvorak Rusalka
17. Berg Wozzeck
18. Smetana Bartered Bride
19. Martinu Julietta
20. Shostakovich Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk
 

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Welcome to Talk Classical Saxman! There's an introduction section for new people like you, so you tell more about yourself.

For old and new members, highlights in blue mean the word has a link to another page of the forum, feel free to place your mouse pointer on it...
 

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3. Gounod - Romeo et Juliette
4. Menotti - The Consul
5. Puccini - Manon Lescaut
6. Massenet - Manon
7. Cilea - Adriana Lecouvreur
8. Gounod - Faust
9. Verdi - Un Ballo in Maschera
10. Janacek - Jenufa
11. Janacek - Katya Kabanova
12. Berg - Wozzeck
13. Donnizetti - Anna Bolena
14. Donnizetti - L'elisir d'amore
15. Puccini- Il tabarro
16. Ponchielli - La gioconda
17. Britten - Peter Grimes
18.Giordano - Andrea Chenier
19. Tchaikovsky - Mazeppa
20.Puccini - Gianni Schicchi
 

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1. Verdi - Ballo in Maschera
2. Cilea - Adriana Lecouvreur
3. Strauss - Rosenkavalier
4. Mozart - Cosi Fan Tutte
5. Puccini - Manon Lescaut
6. Giordano - Andrea Chenier
7. Ponchielli - La Gioconda
8. Boito - Mefistofele
9. Strauss - Ariadne auf Naxos
10. Verdi - Falstaff
11. Puccini - Il Tabarro
12. Smetana - The Bartered Bride
13. Janacek - Cunning Little Vixen
14. Puccini - Gianni Schicchi
15. Shostakovich - Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk
16. Mussorgsky - Khovanshchina
17. Verdi - Nabucco
18. Britten - Peter Grimes
19. Strauss - Frau ohne Schatten
20. Tchaikovsky - Mazeppa
 

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2. Berg: Wozzeck
3. Monteverdi: L'Orfeo
4. Saariaho: L'Amour de loin
5. Schoenberg: Moses und Aron
6. Purcell: Dido and Aeneas
7. Rameau: Hippolyte et Aricie
8. Ligeti: Le Grand Macabre
9. Messiaen: Saint François d'Assise
10. Adams: Nixon in China
11. Vinci: Artaserse
12. Thomson: Four Saints in Three Acts
13. Glass: Akhnaten
14. Penderecki: The Devils of Loudun
15. Andriessen: Writing to Vermeer
16. Ravel: L'enfant et les sortilèges
17. Furrer: FAMA
18. Kurtág: Fin de Partie
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6 Offenbach - Les Contes d'Hoffmann
7 Berg - Wozzeck
8 Britten - Billy Budd
9 Strauss - Daphne
10 Berg - Lulu
11 Purcell - Dido and Aeneas
12 Britten - The Turn of the Screw
13 Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier
14 Janáček - Káta Kabanová
15 Britten - The Rape of Lucretia
16 Gluck - Alceste
17 Gounod - Faust
18 Monteverdi - L'Orfeo
19 Strauss - Ariadne auf Naxos
20 Verdi - Un Ballo in Maschera
 

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I know what I said earlier about trying to come up with a preference order but the results so far seem a bit surreal :) So...

1 Berlioz - Les Troyens
2 Verdi - Falstaff
3 Britten - Peter Grimes
4 Janacek - Cunning Little Vixen
5 Offenbach - Les Contes d'Hoffmann
6 Mozart - Cosi Fan Tutte
7 Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini
8 Rossini - La Cenerentola
9 Nielsen - Maskarade
10 Puccini - Gianni Schicchi
11 Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier
12 Massenet - Manon
13 Humperdinck Hansel and Gretel
14 Rossini - Guillaume Tell
15 Vaughan Williams - Sir John in Love
16 Rossini - L'Italiana in Algeri
17 Rimsky-Korsakov - Le Coq d'Or
18 Sullivan/Gilbert - Yeomen of the Guard
19 Smetana - The Bartered Bride
20 Massenet - Cendrillon
 

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I'm going to start counting the nominations for this 5th round, but members can still list their operas if they haven't already.
 

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1. Il tabarro, Puccini
2. La Rondine, Puccini
3. Andrea Chenier, Giordano
4. Orfeo ed Euridice, Gluck
5. Benvenuto Cellini, Berlioz
6. Gianni Schicchi, Puccini
7. Die Tote Stadt, Korngold
8. Guillaume Tell, Rossini
9. Dido and Aeneas, Purcell
10. Thais, Massenet
11. Werther, Massenet
12. May Night, Risky-Korsakov
13. The Tales of Hoffmann, Offenbach
14. Adriana Lecouvreur, Cilea
15. Beatrice et Benedict, Berlioz
16. Louise, Charpentier
17. Das Wunder der Heliane, Korngold
18. Capriccio, Strauss
19. Dom Sebastien, Donizetti
20. Alceste, Gluck
 

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41-50 positions - Results of Nomination Round

Nomination round Positions 41-50 is closed. These are the results.

Nominated Operas close to the Top 10 selected

068 - 10th position
066 - Berg - Wozzeck
064 - Cilea - Adriana Lecouvreur
063 - Mozart - Così fan tutte
062 - Janacek - Jenufa
061 - Dvorák - Rusalka
061 - Puccini - Il tabarro
061 - Janacek - The Cunning Little Vixen
059 - Gounod - Roméo et Juliette
058 - Verdi - Un Ballo in Maschera
058 - Mascagni - L'amico Fritz
056 - Donizetti - L'elisir d'amore
055 - Monteverdi - L'Orfeo
053 - Gluck - Orfeo ed Euridice
051 - Giordano - Andrea Chénier
049 - Tchaikovsky - Iolanta
048 - R. Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten
047 - Monteverdi - L'incoronazione di Poppea
047 - Tchaikovsky - Pique Dame
046 - Massenet - Manon
044 - Massenet - Thaïs
043 - Schoenberg - Moses und Aron
041 - Donizetti - Maria Stuarda
040 - Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini
040 - Verdi - Falstaff

Top 10 selected Operas

Purcell - Dido and Aeneas
Rossini - La Cenerentola
Gounod - Faust
Boito - Mefistofele
Offenbach - Les Contes d'Hoffmann
Puccini - Manon Lescaut
R. Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier
Puccini - Gianni Schicchi
Britten - Peter Grimes
Poulenc - Dialogue des Carmélites

You may vote for your top 5 now from the list above, to decide positions 41-50. Poll closes at Sunday midnight PST.
 

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  1. Puccini - Manon Lescaut
  2. Gounod - Faust
  3. Offenbach - Les Contes d'Hoffmann
  4. R. Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier
  5. Boito - Mefistofele
 
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