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This thread will have the goal of updating the Talk Classical Top 272 Recommended Operas since five years have passed from the last voting and many new members and opera fans have appeared in this forum. Also, the new load of Opera recordings, especially on Video format, make it an obligation to provide a new list of recommendations

The goal of the project:

  • The TalkClassical members with a wide variety of interests and experiences can reach a consensus on the top works from a variety of musical forms.
  • This process should lead to some interesting debate and discussion regarding these various specialized areas of music.
  • These lists may be used as reference points for both newcomers and long-time classical listeners to the world of classical music and to specific areas of classical music as defined by these lists.
  • These lists are not definitive or official by any means and please do not interpret them as such.
It's understandable and respectable the fact that not all of us enjoy lists and polls, but we ask that you refrain from criticisms here in respect for those of us who do.

Discussion, comments, and questions can all be handled in this thread, where we have been discussing the need and the necessary voting process.

Requirements for works nominated:

  1. The work must be part of the Operatic tradition. Musicals will not be considered.
  2. Operettas and one-act Operas are both allowed to be nominated.
  3. Cycles of Operas such as Richard Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen and Karlheinz Stockhausen's Licht are to be voted on as singular works, not by their individual operas. However, for this time, considering the musical and thematic difference between the three operas, and especially the number of spare recordings, Giacomo Puccini's Il Trittico will be voted in three one-act Operas.
  4. A general consensus will determine any points of ambiguity.
Voting process:

To those new to the voting process, we will do a two-step voting process and build up the list 20 works at a time (a list of 10 was used for the 2015 edition). This allows people to continually review works as the project goes along instead of voting for everything in one shot.

  1. First round is the nomination round where people can nominate up to 20 works. The top 10 works from the nomination round become the next 10 works on the list, though their final ordering is determined by the second round.
  2. Second round is the voting round, where people vote for their five favourites of the top 10 works from the first round. This is so that all voters can have input in the final order.
The scoring method is as follows:

Nomination round:

The points are determined by the ranking of each work as it was initially nominated. 25 points for the work in first, 24 for second, 23 for third, and so on with the twentieth work receiving 6. This method is to weigh in both the ranking and the number of times the work was nominated. So, a nominated work that appears first on three lists would beat out a work that is nominated tenth on 7 different lists.

Voting round:

The scoring is quite similar for the voting round with the works receiving 7, 6, 5, 4, and 3 points in the respective rank that they are voted in. The last work in the voting round will receive 3 points no matter what, so if a vote has only 3 works listed, than the works will receive 5, 4, and 3 points, respective to their order. Again, the reason behind this method is to create a balance between the number of times the work is nominated and its rank.

Honourable mentions:

At the end of the project, we also like to keep a list of honourable mentions containing every work that was nominated but didn't make the final list. Hence in the very last nomination round we give people 30 votes instead of 20 to collect more recommendations. Even if some of your works do not make the final list, your input is valued.

All participants are welcome to join! Please don't hesitate to ask questions and let the fun begin! Thanks to all the runners of the previous TC Top Recommended lists, especially since this is an adaptation of Faustian's introduction text.

Voting round times:

Since a Western European seems to be running the voting process of a mainly American forum, time zones will be problematic. Voting rounds (1-2 each 10 positions) should go week by week. 1st round from monday to sunday and the second round during weekends. The more advanced the voting process is the more scrict I should get with the timings. In California is Midnight at the time it's 9 o clock in Spain (thus I'm at the office), so votes will be admited in each second round until 00:00 PST (GMT -8), but once that round is finished, it will be impossible to start the next voting round until some time in the European afternoon when votes are collected and published, that is some time in a Monday morning in America.

To sum up this: 7 days for each 10 positions (5 days roughly for 1st round, 2nd round ended by Far West midnight).

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So far as it has been discussed in the sub-forum, the results of the recommended recordings for each one of the 100 most voted operas won't be shown by opera rank this time, but in order of premiere date. Please voice your mind there if you want and haven't already.

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Works already qualified and that you cannot nominate from now on:

Bartok - Bluebeard's Castle
Beethoven - Fidelio
Bellini - Norma
Bellini - La sonnambula
Berg - Wozzeck
Bizet - Carmen
Boito - Mefistofele
Britten - Peter Grimes
Debussy - Pelléas et Mélisande
Donizetti - L'elisir d'amore
Donizetti - Lucia di Lammermoor
Gluck - Orfeo ed Euridice
Gounod - Faust
Gounod - Roméo et Juliette
Leoncavallo - Pagliacci
Mascagni - Cavalleria Rusticana
Mascagni - L'amico Fritz
Mozart - Le Nozze di Figaro
Mozart - Don Giovanni
Mozart - Così fan tutte
Mozart - Die Zauberflöte
Mussorgky - Boris Godunov
Offenbach - Les Contes d'Hoffmann
Poulenc - Dialogue des Carmélites
Puccini - Manon Lescaut
Puccini - La Bohème
Puccini - Tosca
Puccini - Madama Butterfly
Puccini - La Fanciulla del West
Puccini - Suor Angelica
Puccini - Gianni Schicchi
Puccini - Turandot
Rossini - Il Barbiere di Siviglia
Rossini - La Cenerentola
R. Strauss - Salome
R. Strauss - Elektra
R. Strauss - Der Rosenkavalier
Tchaikovsky - Eugene Onegin
Tchaikovsky - Pique Dame
Tchaikovsky - Iolanta
Verdi - Nabucco
Verdi - Macbeth
Verdi - Il trovatore
Verdi - Rigoletto
Verdi - La traviata
Verdi - Un Ballo in Maschera
Verdi - La forza del Destino
Verdi - Don Carlo(s)
Verdi - Simon Boccanegra
Verdi - Aida
Verdi - Otello
Wagner - Der Fliegende Holländer
Wagner - Tannhäuser
Wagner - Lohengrin
Wagner - Tristan und Isolde
Wagner - Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg
Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen
Wagner - Parsifal
Weber - Der Freischütz

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Nomination Round for Positions 61-70 start from now (Monday 6th January 00:00 PST) and last roughly until Friday 10th included, being the Voting round the whole weekend as always.
 

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  1. Janacek - Jenufa
  2. Massenet - Thaïs
  3. Mussorgsky - Khovanshchina
  4. Verdi - Ernani
  5. Shostakovich - Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk
  6. Enescu - Oedipe
  7. Rimsky-Korsakov - The Legend of the invisible City of Kitezsh
  8. Prokofiev - The Love for Three Oranges
  9. Prokofiev - War and Peace
  10. Massenet - La Navarraise
  11. Rimsky-Korsakov - The Tsar's Bride
  12. Mozart - La Clemenza di Tito
  13. Massenet - Manon
  14. Dvorak - Rusalka
  15. Mozart - Idomeneo
  16. Berlioz - Les Troyens
  17. Berlioz - La Damnation de Faust
  18. Puccini - Il Tabarro
  19. Massenet - Werther
  20. Verdi - Attila
I'm getting out of ideas, you people XD. I had a top 80 but I doubt many of these will get in.
 

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1. Flotow - Martha
2. Donizetti - Maria Stuarda
3. Lehar - Land des Lachelns
4. Pergolesi - La Serva Padrona
5. Donizetti - La Fille Du Regiment
6. Bellini - I Capuleti e i Montecchi
7. Monteverdi - Il Ritorno D'Ulisse in Patria
8. Paisiello - Nina, o sia La pazza per amore
9. Donizetti - Roberto Devereux
10. Marschner -Der Vampyr
11. Handel - Alcina
12. Saint-Saëns - Henry VIII
13. Menotti - Globolinks
14. Donizetti - Anna Bolena
15. Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten
16. Balfe - Bohemian Girl
17. Rossini - La Gazza Ladra
18. Rachmaninoff - The Miserly Knight
19. Cimarosa - Matrimonio Segreto
20. Handel - Giulio Cesare
 

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1. Menotti - The Consul
2. Menotti - The Saint of Bleecker Street
3. Giordano- Andrea Chenier
4. Cilea - Adriana Lecouvreur
5. Puccini - Il tabarro
6. Janacek - Jenufa
7. Massenet - Manon
8.Verdi - Luisa Miller
9. Saint Saens - Samson et Dalila
10. Britten - Billy Budd
11. Massenet - Werther
12. Handel - Giulio Cesare
13.. Donizetti - La Fille du Regiment
14. Donizetti - Anna Bolena
15. Donizetti - Maria Stuarda
16. Montemezzi - L'amore dei tre re
17. Ponchielli - La Gioconda
18. Adams - The Death of Klinghoffer
19. Janacek - Katya Kabanova
20. Verdi - Falstaff
 

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1. Britten - Death in Venice
2. Boughton - The immortal hour
3. d'Albert - Tiefland
4. Dvorak - Rusalka
5. Chausson - Le roi Arthus
6. Chabrier - Le roi malgré lui
7. Alwyn - Miss Julie
8. Janacek - Janufa
9. Janacek - The Cunning Little Vixen
10. Puccini - Il Tabarro
11. Britten - Billy Budd
12. Janacek - Káťa Kabanová
13. Shostakovich - Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District
14. Smyth - The Wreckers
15. Saariaho - L'Amour de loin
16. Rossini - William Tell
17. Britten - A Midsummer Night's Dream
18. Strauss - Ariadne auf Naxos
19. Schmidt - Notre Dame
20. Sallinen - The red line
 

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1 Schoenberg - Moses und Aron
2 Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten
3 Britten - Billy Budd
4 Strauss - Daphne
5 Berg - Lulu
6 Britten - The Turn of the Screw
7 Janáček - Káta Kabanová
8 Britten - The Rape of Lucretia
9 Gluck - Alceste
10 Monteverdi - L'Orfeo
11 Strauss - Ariadne auf Naxos
12 Britten - Death in Venice
13 Britten - A Midsummer Night's Dream
 

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1. Cilea - Adriana Lecouvreur
2. Giordano - Andrea Chenier
3. Ponchielli - La Gioconda
4. Strauss - Ariadne auf Naxos
5. Shostakovich - Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk
6. Verdi - Falstaff
7. Puccini - Il Tabarro
8. Smetana - The Bartered Bride
9. Janacek - Cunning Little Vixen
10. Mussorgsky - Khovanshchina
11. Strauss - Frau ohne Schatten
12. Tchaikovsky - Mazeppa
13. Verdi - Ernani
14. Massenet - Werther
15. Verdi - Luisa Miller
16. Giordano - Fedora
17. Berlioz - Les Troyens
18. Saint-Saens - Samson et Dalila
19. Cilea - L'Arlesiana
20. Boito - Nerone
 

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1. Berlioz - Les Troyens
2. Verdi - Falstaff
3. Berlioz - Béatrice et Bénédict
4. Mozart - Idomeneo
5. Gluck - Iphigénie en Tauride
6. Delibes - Lakmé
7. Massenet - Thaïs
8. Wagner - Rienzi
9. Borodin - Prince Igor
10. Mozart - The Abduction from the Seraglio
11. Rameau - Les Boréades
12. Purcell - King Arthur
13. Rossini - Guillaume Tell
14. Gluck - Alceste
15. Wagner - Das Liebesverbot
16. Massenet - Manon
17. Gomes - Il Guarany
18. Lully - Armide
19. Monteverdi - L'Incoronazione di Poppea
20. Berlioz - Benvenuto Cellini
 

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1. Dvorák - Rusalka
2. Monteverdi - L'incoronazione di Poppea
3. Cavalli - La Calisto
4. Vivaldi - La fida ninfa
5. Monteverdi - Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria
6. Cavalli - Eliogabalo
7. Lachenmann - Das Mädchen mit den Schwefelhölzern
8. Janáček - The Cunning Little Vixen
9. Delibes - Lakme
10. Stockhausen - Licht
11. Vivaldi - Bajazed
12. Massenet - Thaïs
13. Korngold - Die tote Stadt
14. Monteverdi - L'Orfeo
15. Handel - Julius Caesar
16. Borodin - Prince Igor
17. Rossini - La Gazza Ladra
18. Mozart - The Abduction from the Seraglio
19. Gluck - Iphigenie en Tauride
20. Telemann - Germanicus
 

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1) Maria Stuarda
2) I capuleti e i Montecchi
3) Anna Bolena
4) Adriana Lecouvreur
5) Die Frau ohne Schatten
6) La Fille du regiment
7) Turco in Italia
8) Beatrice di Tenda
9) Stiffelio
10) Attila
11) Ruslan i Lyudmila
12) Il Pirata
13) Guillaume Tell
14) Medea
15) Fedora
16) From the House of the Dead
17) I Puritani
18) Prince Igor
19) I Vespri siciliani
20) Poliuto

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1. Glass: Einstein on the Beach
2. Monteverdi: L'Orfeo
3. Saariaho: L'Amour de loin
4. Schoenberg: Moses und Aron
5. Berlioz: Les Troyens
6. Rameau: Hippolyte et Aricie
7. Ligeti: Le Grand Macabre
8. Messiaen: Saint François d'Assise
9. Adams: Nixon in China
10. Berg: Lulu
11. Vinci: Artaserse
12. Thomson: Four Saints in Three Acts
13. Glass: Akhnaten
14. Penderecki: The Devils of Loudun
15. Andriessen: Writing to Vermeer
16. Ravel: L'enfant et les sortilèges
17. Furrer: FAMA
18. Kurtág: Fin de Partie
19. Neuwirth: Lost Highway
20. Romitelli: An Index of Metals
 

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61-70 positions - Results of Nomination Round

Hello and good morning guys. Sorry for being late because it's Saturday and I took my time to wake up, have breakfast and shower. I had counted all the votes yesterday and everything was ready.

It's striking that the most voted Opera of this round earned only 71 points. Lot's of points went to waste what means we less and less agree about the works that should be placed higher. There is even a draw between the 10th (qualified) and 11th position (non-qualified).

Nomination round Positions 61-70 is closed. These are the results.

Nominated Operas close to the Top 10 selected

054 - 10th position 3 votes 23 points
054 - Donizetti - La fille du régiment* 3 votes 21 points
053 - Janacek - The Cunning Little Vixen*
052 - Monteverdi - L'Orfeo*
050 - Verdi - Falstaff*
048 - Gluck - Iphigénie en Tauride
047 - Donizetti - Anna Bolena
047 - Giordano - Andrea Chénier
047 - Schoenberg - Moses und Aron*
045 - R. Strauss - Ariadne auf Naxos
044 - Bellini - I Capuleti e i Montecchi
042 - Massenet - Manon
041 - Monteverdi - Il ritorno d'Ulisse in patria
040 - Janacek - Katja Kabanova
039 - Mussorgsky - Khovanshchina*
039 - Britten - Death in Venice
038 - Delibes - Lakmé
037 - Berg - Lulu
036 - Rossini - Guillaume Tell
035 - Verdi - Ernani
035 - Borodin - Prince Igor
034 - Massenet - Werther
034 - Saariaho - L'Amour de loin
033 - Mozart - Idomeneo
032 - Ponchielli - La Gioconda
031 - Monteverdi - L'incoronazione di Poppea
031 - Handel - Giulio Cesare
029 - Gluck - Alceste
029 - Verdi - Luisa Miller

*belonged to the 20 operas with more nomination points in the previous round, so they supposedly had more chances to get selected in this round than others.

Top 10 selected Operas

Donizetti - Maria Stuarda
Berlioz - Les troyens
Cilea - Adriana Lecouvreur
Massenet - Thaïs
Dvorák - Rusalka
Janacek - Jenufa
Puccini - Il tabarro
R. Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten
Shostakovich - Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk
Britten - Billy Budd

You may vote for your top 5 now from the list above, to decide positions 61-70. Poll closes at Sunday midnight PST.
 

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  1. Janacek - Jenufa
  2. Massenet - Thaïs
  3. Shostakovich - Lady Macbeth of Mtsensk
  4. Dvorák - Rusalka
  5. R. Strauss - Die Frau ohne Schatten
 

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There's some interesting choices there and it's fascinating to note that there are plenty of key parts of the rep that haven't just not made it into the top 70, but aren't on the runners up list:

Italiana in Algeri
Capriccio
Arabella
Pearlfishers
Samson et Dalila
Hansel und Gretel
Martha
Porgy and Bess
Don Pasquale
War and Peace
The Bartered Bride
Ariodante
Lucrezia Borgia
Die Fledermaus
The Merry Widdow
The Mikado
HMS Pinafore
Pirates of Penzance
The Gypsy Baron
A Night in Venice
Candide
Beatrice et Benedict
Turco in Italia
Attila
I Puritani
Il Pirata
From the House of the Dead
The Turn of the Screw
The Tsar's Bride
Sadko
Orpheus in the Underworld
La Bele Helene
Arabella
Damnation de Faust
La Donna del lago
Lakme
La Favourite
Louise
The Love of three oranges
Oedipus Rex
Semiramide
Entfuhrung
Mazeppa
La gazza ladra
La serva padrona
Serse
Alcina

I'm not saying that I think all or any of these should have been higher up the list than the works shown, but rather that they are key operas/operettas with a number of recordings each and so there are going to be a significant number of works left out of a poll of 100.

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