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Notes on Massenet's Werther

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I think I am just entering an obsession loop of Massenet's Werther. It is quite unexpected, because I started watching that opera with some disdain. But good looks of Jonas Kaufmann in the Paris performance in 2010 did marvels.

I want to gradually store here some interesting things I have found, and invite other contributions, too

"...the title character’s extreme volatility drew from Massenet something very dark and even frenetic. Around him the harmonies shift and grind, the orchestra bursts forth with unruly emotions, and his vocal line swoops and sweeps over a wide range. This is in stark contrast to the musical characterisation of Albert, whose harmonies are solid but placid, and whose vocal line moves in small, deliberate steps.

Stuck in between the two, Charlotte begins as a vision of maternal security, her own music more delicately scored and more subtly harmonised than Albert’s – but equally moving within circumscribed limits. Yet Werther sets something off in her. It is almost as if she is infected by his own lack of restraint, so that in their great third-act confrontation she is dragged, melodically and harmonically, over into his world of heightened subjective passion."(source)
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I really detested The Sorrows of Young Werther when I read it, but I appreciated the opera more. I don't know if that is simply the power of music, or if the libretto was more favorable to me than Goethe's prose.
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I really detested The Sorrows of Young Werther when I read it, but I appreciated the opera more. I don't know if that is simply the power of music, or if the libretto was more favorable to me than Goethe's prose.
I don't know the novel, but according to what I am reading, the whole novel is from the point of view of Werther, whereas the opera has two main narrators, Werther and Chatlotte. Plus there is the "extended community". Although I must say, those two drunk guys who are probably meant as comic relief bore me quite a bit.
According to this article from 2016, Massenet's original score contains some bars in the duet of Werther ans Charlotte which are mostly unperformed. (So I have presumably not heard them in any of the two versions with Kaufmann 2010 and 2014) Can anybody find them for me ?

The quotation:

While preparing the Werther score several months ago, BLO Music Director and Werther conductor David Angus discovered the original manuscript of the orchestral score, in Massenet’s own hand, had recently been made available online. In reviewing it for inspiration on how to approach the score afresh, he noticed something not included in published versions of the score: a 90-second piece of vocal music and text that overlays the Act IV moment when a dying Werther finally kisses the elusive Charlotte.”

These mysterious vocal lines had the two characters joining in with the ecstatic orchestra music that plays in the moment. As Angus describes it, ‘Firstly in glorious, full unison at the tops of their voices, and then breaking apart and weaving around each other’s music in sensuous counterpoint. He describes its beauty as Puccini-like, recalling some of that composer’s soaring melodies. Angus also points out this newly discovered moment is a rare time in the work where people sing together, rather than in alternating, sung dialogue.

In consultation with two international experts on Massenet, Angus found these vocal lines have never been included in a printed, published version of the score. No research to date has revealed evidence they’ve been performed in a Werther production by a major professional opera company. After trying the scene with and without the new music in rehearsals, Angus, director Crystal Manich and the artists fell in love with the depth it gave to the scene, and decided to include the vocal lines in the performance.

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One of the "other" arias for Werther, by sweeeet Schipa 💗
He is praising nature.


Tito Schipa - Allor, sta proprio qua...o natura (Massenet - Werther) 1942
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One of the "other" arias for Werther, by sweeeet Schipa 💗
He is praising nature.


Tito Schipa - Allor, sta proprio qua...o natura (Massenet - Werther) 1942
Glad to see you're also listening to tenors that sound the way Werther is supposed to sound. When you said your interest in the work stemmed from Kaufmann's good looks, I feared you were taking it as one of those romance novels for ladies, with some hunky guy with long hair blowing in the wind on the cover.
Glad to see you're also listening to tenors that sound the way Werther is supposed to sound. When you said your interest in the work stemmed from Kaufmann's good looks, I feared you were taking it as one of those romance novels for ladies, with some hunky guy with long hair blowing in the wind on the cover.
That's about right, though :D

I still don't know, how Schipa handled Lorsque l'enfant. I like it quite dramatic.
I am glad we have this opera with different types of tenors.
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Tenors are my introduction to opera so naturally Pourquoi me reveiller is one the first tenor aria for me. The aria is a staple for many young tenor students, and i just thought of it as beautiful or passionate aria about a little sad love story, nothing significant. Until i decided to actually do research on the story of the opera and the aria itself. It's incredible how mental unstability can be wrapped in such a lovely and seemingly innocent cantabile. And to think i used to believe that everything mad must sound somewhat like Lucia (di Lammermoor) :p
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Tenors are my introduction to opera so naturally Pourquoi me reveiller is one the first tenor aria for me. The aria is a staple for many young tenor students, and i just thought of it as beautiful or passionate aria about a little sad love story, nothing significant. Until i decided to actually do research on the story of the opera and the aria itself. It's incredible how mental unstability can be wrapped in such a lovely and seemingly innocent cantabile. And to think i used to believe that everything mad must sound somewhat like Lucia (di Lammermoor) :p
My experience is just the opposite. I have always known
it is an aria of a man, who eventually commits suicide. I didn't know he is yet at a comparatively harmless stage of his story, where he is just reading a poem. Plus I know it like this - Peter Dvorský and the conducting of Ondrej Lenárd, who really conveyed the damp feeling of depression. Try it, it is time tagged, I wonder if it will scare you too ? It scares me even now.
The new thing for me was just the oposite - learning on this forum that some people consider it beautiful. And that it is sometimes sung that way.

Massenet was also depressed himself, according to a docummentary movie I have seen. And his Elegie is also pretty scary, imo.
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I did some skim reading of the Goethe's novel, and I can't stand the original Werther from the novel, thinking he is special and better than most people around him.
@Macbeth , I am just reading, that when Werther premiered in Vienna, it was sung by a Wagnerian tenor:

"The roles are problematic. Should Charlotte be a soprano? (It was a favourite role of Lotte Lehmann and, more significantly, Regine Crespin.) Is Werther a lyric part, or should it be assigned, as it was at its Viennese premiere, to a Wagnerian tenor?"
@Macbeth , I am just reading, that when Werther premiered in Vienna, it was sung by a Wagnerian tenor:

"The roles are problematic. Should Charlotte be a soprano? (It was a favourite role of Lotte Lehmann and, more significantly, Regine Crespin.) Is Werther a lyric part, or should it be assigned, as it was at its Viennese premiere, to a Wagnerian tenor?"
No need to guess, he left acoustic testimony:


Much closer to a Gigli than a Melchior IMO
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No need to guess, he left acoustic testimony:


Much closer to a Gigli than a Melchior IMO
Indeed :D
by the way, he doesn't quite look like your Kaufmann, does he? 😈
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by the way, he doesn't quite look like your Kaufmann, does he? 😈
Indeed :D . Not even like Werther ! (On posters and illustrations of that time).
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