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#42 ·
PetrB said:
Of course if you go for broke and become a Baroque repertoire specialist, you don't get hired to play the part in all the later classical and romantic repertoire, either!

At some point, preferably sooner than later, every musician in training should begin to accommodate the principle that they exist to serve music, and not the other way around, period, That idea of playing "only what you like" or "only what you want" is for the hobbyist working on their own... not for a musician who in training, or later, is expected and required to play all sorts of music. In training, you are constantly confronted with those 'next pieces' which are a reach and climb up the musical and technical ladder.

That part about on your own and as you like it does not work for many professional instrumentalists other than pianists and organists; even then, you are shooting yourself in the foot if you are avoiding repertoire which pulls in the audiences, and Stravinsky (astonishing to think of for some, it seems) does pull in the audiences :)
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or you can learn to be a rock or jazz musician, we get to play what we want :3 but you also better be prepared to compose cause thats another thing we do~
 
#43 · (Edited)
BurningDesire said:
or you can learn to be a rock or jazz musician, we get to play what we want :3 but you also better be prepared to compose cause thats another thing we do~
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Well, he'd better be more than good and brilliantly inventive to get a career going in either rock or jazz with the bassoon as his axe!
 
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#46 · (Edited)
When I was about 14, I bought the Stravinsky led Columbia LP of the "Rite" without ever hearing the piece prior. I did so because my very first LP had the Firebird Suite on it and I liked that. Well, the first play through was a shock. It was like "WTF?" But I decided to listen again and again to it and before too long I came around to discovering its real worth.
 
#47 · (Edited)
Ives was quite a character!

Give him 5 minutes, you would own a $200,000 Whole Life Policy.

Give him 42 minutes, you would be taking home a CD of the Concord Piano Sonata.
 
#48 ·
Rant, rant, Xenakis, Greek madman ... rant, rant .... Boulez, French poseur, ... rant, rant, ... Cage ..... charlatan ... rant, rant Schubert with his radical undermining of allegro-sonata form .... rant, rant, .... etc etc, rant, rant .....
 
#49 ·
I think that the resulting circle jerk of mature 'adults' beating this young bassoonist into the ground is a bit more silly than the rant itself.

Of COURSE he/she will grow to accept this music as his/her life goes on. Surely everyone can recognize this as just the initial reaction of fear and disgust when faced with complex music of real value?

I remember having the exact same reaction just a few years ago, and then the alluring powers of Shostakovich, Copland, Liebermann, and Suk gently dragged me further into the warm ocean of rewards that is 20-21st century music... Shh.......
 
#50 ·
Sofronitsky said:
I think that the resulting circle jerk of mature 'adults' beating this young bassoonist into the ground is a bit more silly than the rant itself.

Of COURSE he/she will grow to accept this music as his/her life goes on. Surely everyone can recognize this as just the initial reaction of fear and disgust when faced with complex music of real value?

I remember having the exact same reaction just a few years ago, and then the alluring powers of Shostakovich, Copland, Liebermann, and Suk gently dragged me further into the warm ocean of rewards that is 20-21st century music... Shh.......
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I don't know, man. He stepped out of line. We've got to pound him into submission. If he gets away with this, le déluge.
 
#52 ·
Sofronitsky said:
Of COURSE he/she will grow to accept this music as his/her life goes on. Surely everyone can recognize this as just the initial reaction of fear and disgust when faced with complex music of real value?
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Not necessarily. I am in my mid-60s, and I still loathe Schoenberg. And I am certain that I shall go to my grave thinking that Cage is a joke, and not a very clever one at that. But then, I consider that neither of them have put out "complex music of real value".
 
#54 ·
Fortinbras Armstrong said:
Not necessarily. I am in my mid-60s, and I still loathe Schoenberg. And I am certain that I shall go to my grave thinking that Cage is a joke, and not a very clever one at that. But then, I consider that neither of them have put out "complex music of real value".
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It looks to me like "of real value" is meant to be an objective judgement.

I understand there is no arguing with taste, and I really want people to have the freedom to like or not like anything they happen to like or not like, and the freedom to express their likes and dislikes honestly.

But I personally wouldn't reify my taste this way. Even if I didn't find any value in Schoenberg and Cage, a lot of really brilliant people have. I guess I feel a sort of humility in the face of all those people. Imagine, me feeling humility! I'm surprised I have enough sincerity in my psyche to muster up an ability to feel something like that. But it seems I feel something like that anyway. So when I come across music that I don't enjoy or appreciate, I usually try to express my taste in explicitly subjective terms. I even do that with some pretty low-class stuff.
 
#55 · (Edited)
Sofronitsky said:
Hahahahaha okay I get it I get it. It's like a 'If you don't respect Stravinsky, we will make you. With our fists' type of thing. I could get behind that.
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If any of us, when young and aflame with our uninformed sharp opinions on this or that had not been called up on the carpet -- in all modes of expression from gentle correction to wildy sardonic comments... making the point that what was said was certainly unfounded, if not downright silly, then maybe no awareness of being so blank might have crossed our minds. While I'm not one for pubic humiliation, even within the home, sometimes a roomful of people who are laughing at you with a bit (it is to be hoped) of good-humored kindness behind it is about as rightly informative as it gets....

I consider the total of the general comments in this thread (at least those in direct reaction to the OP) to be just another one of those spontaneous adjustments as administered by one's peers -- just like those most anyone has at one time or another had, and that ain't a bad thing.

I seriously doubt if the OP is somehow now scarred for life because of the content of this thread :)
 
#56 ·
Fortinbras Armstrong said:
Not necessarily. I am in my mid-60s, and I still loathe Schoenberg. And I am certain that I shall go to my grave thinking that Cage is a joke, and not a very clever one at that. But then, I consider that neither of them have put out "complex music of real value".
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Did I miss the part where Sofronitsky said, "they will like absolutely every bit of it by all composers?"
 
#57 ·
BurningDesire said:
:3 and Mozart was the Justin Beiber of the 1700s
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Justin Beiber is a child prodigy who speaks multiple languages, learns advanced mathematics at a rapid rate, sight-reads complex music on the fly, variates original works on the spot, composes large scale works of critical acclaim in a few days (even while sick or bed-ridden), consistently ranks as the top 3 composers in his genre, will be remembered and performed 300 years later, and does pretty much what people with IQs > 200 can do??? Wow! I honestly had no idea!
 
#58 ·
TalkingHead said:
Rant, rant, Xenakis, Greek madman ... rant, rant .... Boulez, French poseur, ... rant, rant, ... Cage ..... charlatan ... rant, rant Schubert with his radical undermining of allegro-sonata form .... rant, rant, .... etc etc, rant, rant .....
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And damn Bach and Vivaldi for doing away with perfectly good modal harmony, nasty dissonant tonal music, what a joke!
 
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