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What do you people think of all these "great" new violin "virtuosos" posing for a "romantic" shot of them with their violins? So beautiful isn't it?


:angry: It makes me want to throw up! These people have NO class or style at all, they just started out and are already full of themselves! I puked up all over the place when I saw these ones below! Take a good long look.

ARRRGGGGG!!!!!!!!



Ooooohhhhh! "Sweet Sorrow"




These are only two of many famous STUPID "virtuosos." Does anyone really like these people more than the good violinists, i.e. Perlman, Shaham, Heifetz?
 

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Uuurrmmm...just to get this clear :D .. U dislike the covers, not these virtuosi right?
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I am a huge Sarah Chang fan. The way she closes her eyes and perform those double harmonics so convincingly sweeps me off everytime. I adore her confidence.
I'm not a huge fan of Joshua Bell.. but I think he's one cute lad. :p
 

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It depends on the performer and the individual fans, but in some cases even in classical music (though especially pop! :angry: ), there can become sort of a worship cult centered around singers and virtuosi. The performers will play on the emotions of the fans to garner more worship, and the fans will flatter and name-drop and rave to use the performer to call attention to themselves. It all makes me sick. Those people sure look cute, but if it's part of garnering adoration, which it often is (I don't know anything about these people), then it stinks. Sometimes it's the performers and sometimes it's their producers who are trying to make sales off them.

Another thing is it makes people like you and me feel like we have to go out and make a name for ourselves, even like we're not valid musicians if we don't. I think that's probably the worst thing.
 

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I think you're right...there is a cult-like following of certain musicians...but there is with pop stars too...

What I find a little odd is a certain...snobbiness...among classical players that I don't fully understand...from some of the comments I've read heaven help you if you hold your bow the wrong way (is there even a 'wrong' way?)...or your vibrato is distinctly different...or really, if you do anything obviously different...

...it seems that the overall quality and appeal of your playing is less important than the slight deviations in technique...

...the end result seems to be that all violinists (don't know about other classical musicians) considered 'great' sound essentially the same...

...maybe it's my admittedly untrained ear, but if you were to put on a few seconds of Vengerov, Ehnes, Mutter, Kennedy (etc.) all playing identical passages I don't know that I could tell them apart...

...so, like...what's the point? To all sound the same? To see how close to each they can sound? Or is there some immovable ideal that they are all aspiring too?...

I could be wrong (and feel free to tell me so) but didn't past composers (the Bachs and Beethovens) except a little more individuality to shine in their solo compositions? Yet today musicians seem to get harshly criticised for doing so?
 

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I agree with baroque flute and Now here. "Closing your eyes" or doing any other sort of physical thing that doesn't effect the music is just done to gain more worship from the fans. My man Heifetz played almost motionless except for his right arm and left fingers. I don't like the music of Joshua Bell and, since I am a boy, I cannot say that he's cute. However, I have never listened to Sara Chang before. I will one of these days, but just by looking at the cover, I can tell she needs a little more modesty.

I like the Shaham cover were he is holding his violin upright next to him and he is smiling. Do you know which one I mean? Here:



See, simple, and the perfect cover.
 

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Well, I must politely disagree with you all...I think, to attract a larger audience, classical music must roll with the times...and if a 'pop' style cover will help CD sales...more power to it...

...cover art can be racey or controversial without being tasteless...

...classical doesn't have to equal staid and boring...remember that both Paganini and Liszt were the 'pop' stars of their day with women swooning over them at concerts and both certainly got their fair share of 'action' (darn those back-stage passes! ;))...

...and so now what? We've made them and their music totally respectable? I wonder if they'd appreciate it?...

...I like classical music...but not to the exclusion of everything else...but at the last classical performance my 12 year old daughter and I went to, the audience was by far comprised of seniors ...

...the industry doesn't need to sell the music to seniors...they've already shown that they support it...but there is a need to get more younger people to appreciate it...and by that I mean to listen to it, and to purchase concert tickets and CDs...not just the young performers (and diehards) and the hadful of other kids that are dragged along to these performances in order to instill some 'culture' into them...

...personally, I'd hate to see all the formality go - after all, it's part of what gives classical music it's flavour...I love the men in their tuxes and the women performing in eveningwear...

...but I think we need a few more Nigel Kennedys and Lara St. Johns as well...
 

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Originally posted by Nox@Jul 29 2004, 06:16 PM
...remember that both Paganini and Liszt were the 'pop' stars of their day with women swooning over them at concerts and both certainly got their fair share of 'action' (darn those back-stage passes! ;))...

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Ha! Anyway, I'm not saying that all publicity is bad. I'm saying, people should like performers for their music, not because of how they look on the cover, etc. However, if anyone out there likes the music of Joshua Bell or any others I've mentioned, you have my respect. :)
 

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I don't even look at the covers when I buy my music. I either buy for the performer or the composer! But I can see how someone new to classical music may go for a cool cover (or a cute guy/girl on the cover :lol: )

Actually, I used to order all my classical music from BMG, so I really never looked at the covers!
 

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It's a company like Columbia House that does mail order CD's. It's cheaper than Columbia house, there are less CD's to buy and they had a classical CD club. I subscribed to the classical club, naturally!
 

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it is clear that dumb is more appropriate here than stupid.

as for the cover issue, I must say, the cover that always works for me is a simple picture of the guy holding his instrument, or actually playing it, not striking a pose, but in the actual act of playing. after Siegfried Lauterwasser, nobody can photograph artists properly anymore <_<
 

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Originally posted by Rhadamanthys@Jul 30 2004, 01:08 AM
I'm saying, people should like performers for their music, not because of how they look on the cover, etc.
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Well put, Rhadamanthys! It seems like even classical performers think they have to at least attempt to be supermodels! <_< :(
 

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You know, I think my favorite covers probably just have art on them. Of course, it's great to know what the performer looks like, too. But I really like the ones that take art from the time period of the music.
 
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