[Vaneyes]

i'm very curious about the relation of the music of Debussy and Scriabin. I've read that the only known comment made by Scriabin on Debussy is something like "He shouldn't have stolen from our Russian music". There were russian musicians that predates the music of the french composer?
And Debussy knew about Scriabin?

Noting it's been over a year since you posted this, have you found answers?

Not having read a Scriabin biography, and relying only on a few online sources, I came up empty on any Debussy/Scriabin relationship and quotes.

Wikipedia lists Tchaikovsky, Balakirev, Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin, and Mussorgsky as Russian influences on Debussy's music. The first four being minor, and Mussorgsky more so for Boris Godunov influence on Pelleas et Melisande.

Scriabin visited and resided in Paris between 1898 and 1907, so I would think they knew of each other.

 

[lextune]

i'm very curious about the relation of the music of Debussy and Scriabin. I've read that the only known comment made by Scriabin on Debussy is something like "He shouldn't have stolen from our Russian music". There were russian musicians that predates the music of the french composer?
And Debussy knew about Scriabin?

Noting it's been over a year since you posted this, have you found answers?

Not having read a Scriabin biography, and relying only on a few online sources, I came up empty on any Debussy/Scriabin relationship and quotes.

Wikipedia lists Tchaikovsky, Balakirev, Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin, and Mussorgsky as Russian influences on Debussy's music. The first four being minor, and Mussorgsky more so for Boris Godunov influence on Pelleas et Melisande.

Scriabin visited and resided in Paris between 1898 and 1907, so I would think they knew of each other.

Scriabin and Debussy never met, but Scriabin attended a performance of La Mer conducted by Debussy. Scriabin also owned a copy of the score.

 

[Nate Miller]

I like the idea of the "Ecstasy Motive" (oscillating tritone). What is interesting is that it is often used as a common tritone between mystic scales (p. 15, Poeme-Nocturne--the Db and G mystic scales share the TT f-cb), and octotonic scales (p. 15, Op. 74 III---the set of octotonic scales starting on c, eb, f#, and a share the TT c-f#), so it can indeed build intensity by remaining constant as the scales change around it.

The 7th chords Db and G are also substitutes for each other. They do share a common triton, and a triton can always be resolved by contrary motion to either a 3rd or a 6th.

you can also always move a sequence through the cycle of minor 3rds, too. You come out where you begin, just like with diminished scales

also, since we can add the dominant before any chord, tritons can move up and down by a half step. Consider the cycle of 5ths progression A7 | D7 | G7 | C7

you could capture that harmonic motion with a simple triton (C#, G) -> (C, F#) -> (B ,F) -> (Bb,E)

 

[Valjuan]

An excellent article on this topic is Scriabin's Symbolist Plot Archetype in the Late Piano Sonatas by Susanna Garcia. Totally changed the way I listened to Scriabin.

 

[Vaneyes]

Scriabin Association is helpful.

http://www.scriabin-association.com...bins-use-of-french-directions-to-the-pianist/

 

[Vaneyes]

An excellent article on this topic is Scriabin's Symbolist Plot Archetype in the Late Piano Sonatas by Susanna Garcia. Totally changed the way I listened to Scriabin.

Those interested in this article can access it by Googling "Scriabin, Susanna Garcia", then clicking on the first PDF link.

 

[Valjuan]

Those interested in this article can access it by Googling "Scriabin, Susanna Garcia", then clicking on the first PDF link.

Thanks, I should have done that with my post.

 

[rldluz]

Hi, would you have the reference for that information? Thanks

 

[rldluz]

Scriabin and Debussy never met, but Scriabin attended a performance of La Mer conducted by Debussy. Scriabin also owned a copy of the score.

Hi lextune, would you have the reference for that information? Thanks

 

[lextune]

Hi lextune, would you have the reference for that information? Thanks

Hi. The reference is here:

José Eduardo Martins, "Quelques Aspects Comparatifs Dans les Langages Pianistique de Debussy et Scriabine,"
Cahiers Debussy, No. 7 (1983): 24-25.

And here is the link to the dissertation it is talked about in (page 31):

https://digital.library.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metadc6048/m2/1/high_res_d/dissertation.pdf

 

[scriiabin]

this looks amazing. thank you, ive always been eager to read more about him and im glad others feel the same way

 

[96 Keys]

http://www.talkclassical.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1363&d=1294145452

I get an "Invalid Attachment specified" message. My account is new--do I not have the necessary viewing privileges?