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I've seen and been involved in 'discussions' between non-readers of music who are composers and trained composers where the charge of elitism has underpinned many an exchange. It's clear to me that composing does not need training, but it is obviously rather dependant on what one wants to write. Some however have a different view.

In the media world where composing is dominated by the DAW, the irony is that most non readers have access to orchestral samples which they can manipulate in any way they want, without caring about knowing and understanding the best way of composing for an orchestra. It goes without saying that most of the music produced this way, that purports to be orchestral and therefore falling within the bastion of a highly specialised discipline that requires many skills and experience, will fall short musically speaking when compared to the best in the genre - or worse still, if the music is ever performed live. (I've witnessed myself some poor results in orchestral studio recordings from untrained composers and it's not pretty. Musicians know instantly whether the part in front of them is competent or not).

If one points out shortcomings to non-reader composers with orchestral aspirations and suggests a period of learning and practise, the 'E' word is in danger of making a vehement appearance. So these days, I am apparently old "skool" elitist, seemingly because I know and can confirm that knowledge of your orchestral onions is a prerequisite to being professional in that genre. Some do not want to hear that specialisation and training will yield the best results outside the DAW, such is the false confidence sample manipulation and production in a computer can give.

There is a big proviso here. If any 'orchestral' sampled music produced by someone without training is not intended to be played solely by real players, then much creative production and inventive, genre bending and rule destroying music can and has been written, some of which I absolutley love btw.

But hey, generally speaking these seem to be the days when some think that a lifetime of learning, practise and growth in composition and associated skills can be gleaned in a few 10 minute how-to YT videos. So I ask is it elitist of me to think that the immediate satisfaction gained by moving digital blocks of orchestral samples around on an arrange page could ultimately hamper and worse still, harm the fullest of any creative potential - a potential that could be honed and enhanced by training? Well the answer is no, not at all.

(sorry if this has drifted too far off-topic Roger)
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