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I'm increasingly sympathetic to this, somewhat to my surprise. Although I'm over 70 and retain an affection for physical media - and remember some LPs nostalgically - I've never had much affection for the CD. It was a great invention for saving space, but it rarely equals the aesthetic value of the LP, and the microscopic print of opera librettos is offputting at best. A desire to strip down my possessions in old age has prompted the shrinking of my CD collection, and I now listen to music largely online. A new edition of the Solti Ring will no doubt please a limited audience, and that's all any product needs to do. I won't be part of that audience,
Evidently the target audience is new young CD collectors with great eyesight.





On an unrelated note, does anyone ever wonder why sales of this stuff is down?
 

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Evidently the target audience is new young CD collectors with great eyesight.





On an unrelated note, does anyone ever wonder why sales of this stuff is down?
Depends what you mean by "this stuff".

1) I would expect sales of older recordings to be down because those that want them already have them in previous physical incarnations.

2) New recordings of standard rep won't sell many copies as most opera fans seem to prepare the singers in the older recordings (see point 1).

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I just received this, now I can spin the whole lot .
I compared 2012 vs 2022 in Qobuz and I am pretty confident to the point of ordering the vinyl too (looks promising).

2022 sounds apparently louder (some people claim the same) but when you compare both during low volume passages, both sound very close, only when volume rises it is when 2022 seems louder, either by mastering compression or reaching higher dynamics. ¿?

Due to the slight brighter sound of 2022, I would say it is compression due to remastering choices reviving old tapes, however the tone seems to be (by far) more correct than 2012.
2012 edition has a common colour that affects every voice, instrument, etc. and in 2022 this is gone and tone seems truer to the nature of the instruments, maybe due to closer fidelity at 24/192 on original tapes)

I believe however this certain brightness may well be tamed in the vinyl edition, getting the best of both worlds: detail but also certain warmth.

More thoughts on this when I have the vinyl.
Also lookig forward to the comments of Rogerx!!!
 

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I haven't heard this since I was a teen in Mississippi but upon all the good critical praise I decided to buy a near mint condition LP version of Solti's Gotterdammerung at a very good price, although more than any other vinyl I have been buying lately. I look forward to hearing it's supposed virtues. I wanted to get Varnay's version with Knapperbusch ( sp?) but they were over $100 and that is too rich for my blood. I got the Time Life edition which I suppose is the same as the regular initial version. I am very excited. It is one of my 2 or 3 favorite operas.
 

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I haven't heard this since I was a teen in Mississippi but upon all the good critical praise I decided to buy a near mint condition LP version of Solti's Gotterdammerung at a very good price, although more than any other vinyl I have been buying lately. I look forward to hearing it's supposed virtues. I wanted to get Varnay's version with Knapperbusch ( sp?) but they were over $100 and that is too rich for my blood. I got the Time Life edition which I suppose is the same as the regular initial version. I am very excited. It is one of my 2 or 3 favorite operas.
The Time-Life was super deluxe in the day. iIt should sound sumptuous.
 

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Do the streaming services stream Ring operas?
Yes. You can get several on Idagio (both well known studio recordings and private recordings from 1950's Bayreuth to present). Spotify has even more options. Here is a sample of what is available on Idagio for Gotterdamerung.

Lots of duplication but there's a pretty good selection there.
 

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Greetings from a (very) new member prompted to join by this very interesting and erudite thread - thanks to all.
I only have the original 15 CD release (1984?) of the wonderful Ring recording produced by John Culshaw and his team (aided and abetted by Solti and Wagner, of course, and the magnificent musicians and singers).
I wish I had bought the Bu-ray reissue on release partly because of hoped for improved sound and placement but mainly because of the convenience of the whole shebang on a single disc!
My hi-fi is old (c1995) but decent - Quad 67/66/bi-amp 606s/Ruark speakers. My ears are also old (c1948) and not as good as they were particularly on the left channel.
I remain to be convinced that I would gain from “upgrading” at some expense but I really should spend more time listening to what I have!
Incidentally, I believe Culshaw moved Valhalla and Earth in trying to obtain the release of the Decca 1951 Bayreuth Knappertsbusch Götterdämmerung but even he was ultimately defeated by the legal bods at Decca and EMI over artists recording rights.
Best wishes for 2023 to all.
 

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Greetings from a (very) new member prompted to join by this very interesting and erudite thread - thanks to all.
I only have the original 15 CD release (1984?) of the wonderful Ring recording produced by John Culshaw and his team (aided and abetted by Solti and Wagner, of course, and the magnificent musicians and singers).
I wish I had bought the Bu-ray reissue on release partly because of hoped for improved sound and placement but mainly because of the convenience of the whole shebang on a single disc!
My hi-fi is old (c1995) but decent - Quad 67/66/bi-amp 606s/Ruark speakers. My ears are also old (c1948) and not as good as they were particularly on the left channel.
I remain to be convinced that I would gain from “upgrading” at some expense but I really should spend more time listening to what I have!
Incidentally, I believe Culshaw moved Valhalla and Earth in trying to obtain the release of the Decca 1951 Bayreuth Knappertsbusch Götterdämmerung but even he was ultimately defeated by the legal bods at Decca and EMI over artists recording rights.
Best wishes for 2023 to all.
Greetings!
It’s worthwhile to get the Blu-ray Audio release, though you’ll have to play it on your Blu player and thus your TV (no picture) - the sound is spectacular, especially if you have the first CD release.
 

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Thanks for your advice; I’m sure you are right and my Blu-ray player can be played through the hi-fi so I’m not reliant on the 10 pound/dollar/euros worth of amp/speakers normally found in a TV set. The problem is a) extremely limited avaliability and b) extortionate advertised price of Solti/Ring Blu-ray Disc!
I wonder why an upgraded Blu-ray is not included in the latest Decca offerings?
 

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Thanks for your advice; I’m sure you are right and my Blu-ray player can be played through the hi-fi so I’m not reliant on the 10 pound/dollar/euros worth of amp/speakers normally found in a TV set. The problem is a) extremely limited avaliability and b) extortionate advertised price of Solti/Ring Blu-ray Disc!
I wonder why an upgraded Blu-ray is not included in the latest Decca offerings?
You’re right, the prices ARE outrageous - I hadn’t checked before I wrote the above! When I bought mine it was around U.S. $60.
 

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If people want to buy the Solti Ring in its new remastering, I can't see why they would buy the physical product when they can just download it. I looked on Qobuz and both Rheingold and Walkure can be bought in the same 24 bit/192 kHz format as the SACD for about $25 each. The downloads aren't the cheapest (the whole Ring would come to $100), but in comparison the SACDs are about $85 and $100 respectfully, which is way too steep for a single recording.
 

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If people want to buy the Solti Ring in its new remastering, I can't see why they would buy the physical product when they can just download it. I looked on Qobuz and both Rheingold and Walkure can be bought in the same 24 bit/192 kHz format as the SACD for about $25 each. The downloads aren't the cheapest (the whole Ring would come to $100), but in comparison the SACDs are about $85 and $100 respectfully, which is way too steep for a single recording.
I don't do downloads. Whether I would pay about $385 for a new mastering of a Ring Cycle, probably not. (Although I would be tempted if it were the Keilberth 53 and the technology could produce a modern studio quality sound.)

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I just found out that the Solti Gotterdammerung LP Set I bought is from the estate library of Kurt Masur! I have a celebrity recording!!! I am stoked. They sent me Siegfried by mistake and it was a Time Life Issue and was the most beautiful and impeccable boxed set I had ever seen. I listened to the duet and it was astonishing!!!!! The Gotterdammerung is in the mail.
 

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I just found out that the Solti Gotterdammerung LP Set I bought is from the estate library of Kurt Masur! I have a celebrity recording!!! I am stoked. They sent me Siegfried by mistake and it was a Time Life Issue and was the most beautiful and impeccable boxed set I had ever seen. I listened to the duet and it was astonishing!!!!! The Gotterdammerung is in the mail.
You're bringing back nice memories of acquiring the Solti Ring in my teens (omitting the Walkure, for which opera I preferred the Leinsdorf recording in RCA's magnificent Soria series). I have to say that life has been downhill ever since. :giggle:
 
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