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Spotify (and YouTube)

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(Couldn’t find a recent thread about this, so starting a new one.)

I’ve noted the predominant use of YouTube on TC. Which, I must say, surprises me just a little bit.

First, there’s the energy consumption issue. Using video streaming when all you are really after is audio is not exactly climate-friendly. And yes, I think that matters. Because it does.

Secondly, a page crammed with embedded YouTube players tend to slow down most computers. Which is, at best, annoying (however convenient the player in itself may be).

Thirdly, there is indeed a royalty system in place at YouTube. But it doesn’t always work. And yes, I think that matters too.

I’ve been using Spotify since (I think) 2009. And, frankly, I couldn’t imagine being without it.

And yes, doing efficient searches for classical will take some practice and experience (it helps learning to use tags, for instance; go google it…). Spotify is tailor-made for popular music, not classical. But the real downside is that any search will yield "extras". It's not pinpoint (but I'm afraid that's how algorithms work these days, and yes, that sucks). Figuring out how search works is nonetheless worth the effort, IMO. And you will figure that out. It’s not rocket science.

Anyway, Spotify is an incredibly powerful tool for mining the catalogue (off the top of my head, the only big(ish) label I can think of that’s missing from Spotify is Hyperion). With the added advantage, of course, that you can also listen to the catalogue.

It’s also convenient. You can organize your music. As you would any collection. (Really, the worst thing about Spotify is that it's almost too convenient. Addictive personalities should probably stay well clear of it.)

And it also has good sound quality (sound quality-wise Spotify is not vastly but perceptibly superior to anything you can find on YouTube). It's not state of the art audiophile stuff. But it's more than OK (and I'm not exactly insensitive to these matters). If it sounds really nasty, I'm guessing the problem lies somewhere else along the chain between source and ears. And if you get crappy sound from Spotify, you’ll most likely get crappy sound from YouTube as well. (Some YouTube audio is highly compressed, which might account for it coming across as more ”pleasing”.)

Still, if it sounds like **** (compared to cd or vinyl), try this:

  1. If you’re on a computer (and you should be if it’s classical you’re after) always use the desktop player (downloadable) and always use the highest quality audio setting (obviously).
  2. Use high quality open headphones (if you do use headphones, that is; I couldn’t live without mine). I have a pair of unbelievably ancient but trustworthy Sennheisers (HD600). (The HD600 aren’t exactly cheap. But there are plenty of more expensive alternatives out there. In comparison I’d say the HD600’s are cheap.)
  3. Get a good quality headphone amp. Or at least a decent quality one. (Anyhow, decent headphones and a headphone amp is good to have regardless of your listening source.)
  4. If none of this helps, you probably have an antique sound card in your computer. If that’s the case I suggest you start there.

And yes, it's fairly obvious that using bad equipment results in bad sound. I'm just saying that if Spotify sounds like a bag of nails (as some claim), then there's probably something not quite right further down the line. Because it really shouldn't sound like a bag of nails. And definitely not compared to YouTube.

And no, I’m not being paid by Spotify (I wish I was, though). I’m just a little taken aback by the amount of (in most cases highly unnecessary) video streaming going on around here.

Thank you.
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First, there’s the energy consumption issue. Using video streaming when all you are really after is audio is not exactly climate-friendly. And yes, I think that matters. Because it does.

Secondly, a page crammed with embedded YouTube players tend to slow down most computers. Which is, at best, annoying (however convenient the player in itself may be).

Thirdly, there is indeed a royalty system in place at YouTube. But it doesn’t always work. And yes, I think that matters too.
people use Youtube here because you can link the video pretty easy and everybody can get the clip. That's why you see it in these threads, not because we all listen to music via youtube.

also, I think I can put your mind at ease about some of these points.

First, your computer is turned on or its not. the machine cycles to process video doesn't change the power requirement. Your computer draws the same power regardless. I'm a software engineer, and I can assure you that the machine cycles to process video does not endanger our climate. If that were true, then all the young people with their cell phones would be contributing to global warming, and we know that is not the case. So you can relax there.

Secondly, if you have a broad band connection the video doesn't slow down anything. Here in the states basically everybody who wants it has broadband connections, so it doesn't really slow the rest of us down. so that is why nobody cares. Most of us are on a high speed connections. The rest of the internet acts the same way on a low speed connection, so TC wont be any different

third, the royalty system on youtube is done by the traffic, so you yourself dont actually pay anything. I had a friend who had a song of his get several thousand views one month and he got a check from youtube, so that's taken care of actually.

anyway, I just wanted to put your mind at ease, especially about the climate change stuff. You really dont have anything to worry about, that isn't how computers work. Electrical power is measured in watts and it equates to the number of actual electrons moved in a unit of time. Machine cycles dont draw more watts. That isnt how it works.
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The power consumption thing, how does that pan out? If you do a lot of video streaming on your iPhone it drains the battery much quicker than if you're just surfing about without streaming. I'm certainly no expert, but shouldn't that work the same way with a computer? I'm relieved if it doesn't. But it doesn't seem to make sense.

your phone when surfing only has to open a tcp-ip connection for a brief moment to execute the get request whereas streaming requires your phone to keep the tcp-ip connection alive, which means broadcasting the D channel stuff to complete the handshakes. That is why your phone battery gets beat up, not the video procesing per se. To broadcast a microwave signal 1 mile through the atmosphere at sea level requires a certain level of power. That required power does not change when computer speeds increase or if you use a 5G network or anything. It is a physical constant. If your phone ever gets warm while you use it, that is why.

myself, I would be more worried about all the whales washing up dead on our east coast and that it may be a result of the off shore wind farms we put up recently
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and the sheer ugliness of solar panels needs to be addressed We are destroying the joy of a beautiful environment by not regulating their placement better.

there are some of the wind farms atop the ridges here in Pennsylvania and they kill alot of bald eagles. This after we went through decades or wildlife projects to restore them to Pennsylvania.

and putting farm fields under solar panels isn't the answer either. Here in southern PA we have great soil for growing crops, but they are putting up warehouses and solar panels over perfect farmland so we have to grow our food out west in the dessert.

Its so sad. It is a shame all the kids know is "oil bad". Driving my truck never killed any whales or harmed one eagle. ....deer on the other hand, that's another story 😟
I don't want to stray into politics so I'll just say my concern is in esthetics.

The beautiful hill not a mile from my home is now a long row of ugly panels.
Yesterday I was driving nearby and a beautiful old farm house was newly crowned with these insidious panels.

yea, its the same here. Alot of businesses in the area are adding solar panels for thier green initiatives, so if there happens to be anything like a 5 acre field adjacent, you can kiss it goodbye

between that and developers putting up McMansions on farm fields after the old fella dies...well, this USED to be the country anyway

I knew it was the beginning of the end as soon as they offered broadband internet out this way 😟
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