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Google has been throwing this article in my face all day, so I clicked on it. . . I'm sorry I did.

https://slate.com/culture/2020/10/fullname-famous-composers-racism-sexism.html

Seriously, why are there so many of these recently? Who comes up with these stupid articles? People must have too much time on their hands because of covid. This stuff kills brain cells.

Just noticed the author called Beethoven "Ludwig Beethoven" at the end. For real...
 

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San Francisco Opera put out a tweet for Angela Gheorghiu's birthday ( ), and in it they put her quote:

Pop music is for the body, but opera is for the soul.
which I found cute and now have as my forum signature.

I'm surprised at how serious people are taking this quote, a quote I simply took as a humorous way of an opera singer expressing their love for what they do. I wonder if people would be so upset if one substituted some other genre in place of opera, such as:

Pop music is for the body, but jazz is for the soul.
Pop music is for the body, but metal is for the soul.
Pop music is for the body, but rap is for the soul.
Pop music is for the body, but hip hop is for the soul.
Or, what if we said:

Opera is for the body, but pop music is for the soul.
Why should any of these trigger anyone?
 

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Don't be silly. It's an opinion piece and doesn't affect hundreds of years of music at all.

In fact, it's more of a self-promotion gimmick, trying to simply stir up a renewed interest in Classical Music. THAT is ONE article, and certainly NOT representative of CLASSICFM on the whole. Browse their site for OTHER "learned" articles, and you'll find that no one is "cancelling" Beethoven, or any of the other European classical composers.

In this case, it actually IS what it is. We know that Europe dominates in terms of Classical music, and that Europe is full of Europeans, who, on the whole, are caucasian.

No one is blasting Asian art music for being Anglo-exclusionary, or indigenous African music for being anti-Asian. No one is complaining that there aren't more ragas written by white guys.

As for "Maybe it's time we break up with Beethoven once and for all…", only some sort of extremist would seriously suggest blacklisting Beethoven. No one is suggesting we tear down the Parthenon or the Pyramids or Stonehenge for being a product of where they were created.

Much ado about nothing, IMO.
If this article is generating interest in classical music or Beethoven, I wonder with what impact. The focus of the article seems to be on asking whether Beethoven (and classical music) are relevant in today's 'culture' - or telling the reader what to think.

(repeated) "This collision between increasing diversity and the mononyms of music history [i.e., Bach, Beethoven, Mozart] has created a hierarchical system that, whether or not you find it useful, can now only be seen as outdated and harmful.":eek:
While this is just one article and one person's opinion, what worries me is that these kinds of articles seem to be becoming more common, which is why I started this thread. And while it doesn't mean that these articles can really represent a cross section of society, I doubt they will be of any help for keeping classical music alive and well among the younger audiences and posterity. Plus, they are just so stupid that it's irritating to know that some people actually write this stuff.
 
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