AI:
There have been many writers, critics, and scholars who have contributed to the discourse on classical music over the years. Some of the most influential and well-known figures in this field include:

• Hector Berlioz (1803-1869): Berlioz was a French composer and critic who is known for his pioneering contributions to the Romantic movement in classical music. He wrote extensively about music and was a leading figure in the development of modern music criticism.
• Robert Schumann (1810-1856): Schumann was a German composer, pianist, and critic who is known for his influential writings on music. He was a leading figure in the New German School of music and was a vocal advocate for the works of composers such as Franz Schubert and Johannes Brahms.
• Richard Wagner (1813-1883): Wagner was a German composer and conductor who is known for his contributions to the development of opera. He wrote extensively on music and was a controversial figure in his time due to his outspoken views on art and politics.
• Claude Debussy (1862-1918): Debussy was a French composer and critic who is considered one of the leading figures of the Impressionist movement in classical music. He wrote extensively on music and was known for his innovative and experimental approach to composition.
• Theodor Adorno (1903-1969): Adorno was a German philosopher, sociologist, and music critic who is known for his contributions to the field of critical theory. He wrote extensively on music and was a leading figure in the Frankfurt School of critical theory.
• There are many other writers and critics who have made significant contributions to the discourse on classical music, and this list is by no means exhaustive.
  Adorno (1903-1969): Adorno was a German philosopher, sociologist, and music critic who is known for his contributions to the field of critical theory. He wrote extensively on music and was a leading figure in the Frankfurt School of critical theory.
  
  
  
• There are many other writers and critics who have made significant contributions to the discourse on classical music, and this list is by no means exhaustive.

 

AI:
Classical music has made many significant contributions to the world of music and culture. Some of the ways in which classical music has impacted and influenced society include:

• Classical music has a rich and diverse history, with a tradition that stretches back hundreds of years. It has contributed to the development of many other musical styles and genres, and has had a lasting influence on the evolution of music.
• Classical music has contributed to the development of many musical forms and structures that are still used today, such as the symphony, the concerto, and the sonata. These forms have provided a framework for many composers to create innovative and expressive works of music.
• Classical music has also played a role in the development of musical instruments and technology. Many instruments, such as the piano and the violin, were developed during the classical period and have become integral to the classical tradition.
• Classical music has had a profound cultural impact, and has been an important part of the artistic and intellectual life of many societies. It has inspired and influenced artists in other fields, such as literature, painting, and dance, and has been a source of enjoyment and inspiration for many people.

Overall, classical music has made a significant contribution to the world of music and culture, and continues to be an important and influential art form today.

 

AI:
There are many ways to enjoy classical music, including:

• Listening to recordings: One of the most common ways to enjoy classical music is to listen to recordings of it. There are many recordings of classical music available, ranging from historical recordings of famous performers to modern recordings by contemporary musicians. You can listen to classical music on a variety of platforms, including CDs, streaming services, and online radio stations.
• Attending concerts: Another way to enjoy classical music is to attend live concerts. Many classical music organizations, such as orchestras, opera companies, and chamber music groups, present concerts on a regular basis. These concerts can be a great way to experience classical music in a live setting and to hear it performed by skilled musicians.
• Playing classical music: If you are a musician, you can also enjoy classical music by playing it yourself. Many classical compositions are available in sheet music form and can be played on a variety of instruments, including the piano, violin, cello, and others.
• Learning about classical music: If you are interested in classical music, you may also enjoy learning more about it. This could involve reading about its history, listening to recordings and analyzing the music, or attending lectures or workshops on classical music.

Overall, there are many ways to enjoy classical music, and the best way for you will depend on your interests and preferences.

 

AI:
Like any art form, classical music has faced its share of controversies over the years. Some of the most significant controversies in the world of classical music include:

• The canonization of certain composers: Some critics have argued that certain composers, such as Beethoven and Mozart, have been unfairly elevated to the status of "classical music greats," while other composers have been overlooked or underappreciated. This has led to debates about the criteria used to determine which composers are considered "canonical" and which are not, and whether the classical music canon is overly dominated by a small group of white European men.
• The elitism of classical music: Classical music has often been associated with high culture and has been criticized for being inaccessible or elitist. Some have argued that classical music is only enjoyed by a small, privileged group of people, and that it is out of touch with the broader culture.
• The lack of diversity in classical music: Classical music has also faced criticism for its lack of diversity and inclusivity. Many classical music organizations and institutions have historically been dominated by white men, and there have been relatively few composers and performers from marginalized groups within the classical tradition. This has led to calls for greater representation and inclusivity in the world of classical music.
• The use of classical music in advertising: Some have also criticized the use of classical music in advertising, arguing that it is used to convey a sense of sophistication or exclusivity and that it can be used to sell products that are unrelated to classical music. This has led to debates about the appropriate use of classical music in commercial settings.

 

I have tried to use ChatGPT to find classical songs when I know the first line or the title. Here are some rather hilarious results:

• Do you know a song which starts with "Fremd bin ich eingezogen"?
  Yes, "Fremd bin ich eingezogen" is the opening line of a song called "Heidenröslein" ("Wild Rose") by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. "Heidenröslein" is a poem that Goethe wrote in 1799, and it was later set to music by Franz Schubert in his song cycle "Die schöne Müllerin."
• Which song starts with "Fremd bin ich eingezogen"?
  "Fremd bin ich eingezogen" is the opening line of a hymn called "Es ist das Heil uns kommen her" (It Is Salvation That Has Come to Us), also known as "Es ist gewisslich an der Zeit" (It Is Surely Time). The song is traditionally attributed to Martin Luther, and it is one of the most well-known hymns in the German language.
• I think there is another song by Franz Schubert which has "Fremd bin ich eingezogen" as first line.
  You are correct that there is another song by Franz Schubert that has "Fremd bin ich eingezogen" as its first line. The song is called "Fremde" ("Stranger"), and it is the 14th song in the song cycle "Die schöne Müllerin" ("The Beautiful Miller's Daughter").
• What is the first line of the poem "Der Leiermann" by Wilhelm Müller?
  The first line of the poem "Der Leiermann," also known as "The Hurdy-Gurdy Man," by Wilhelm Müller is "Der Leiermann, der Leiermann, zieht seine Kreise durchs Land" in German. This translates to "The hurdy-gurdy man, the hurdy-gurdy man, travels the land with his instrument" in English.

Not a single correct answer, only a lot of erroneous nonsense.
A lot of work to be done....

 

Not a single correct answer, only a lot of erroneous nonsense.
A lot of work to be done....

Why should any work be done? IMO at best, AI is garbage and at worst dangerous.

 

What is the danger you see?

As far as I see AI has no will, so humans can control it even if it gets much better than today.

I asked ChatGPT recently if there are similar masses to those of Anton Bruckner. It gave me three masses of Gustav Mahler as answer. I agree a lot of work has to be done. But in some fields of application ChatGPT is already extremly useful.

 

Elon Musk also sees a danger in unrestrained development of AI, which is why he created ChatGPT. I am not sure if his efforts are enough protection from the inherent danger and agenda of those who wish to harness the technology for their own agenda, which is not as harmless as discussing classical music.

This is all I will say on the subject.

 

Elon Musk also sees a danger in unrestrained development of AI, which is why he created ChatGPT. I am not sure if his efforts are enough protection from the inherent danger and agenda of those who wish to harness the technology for their own agenda, which is not as harmless as discussing classical music.

I think you may have the details a bit mixed up there. Elon Musk did not create ChatGPT - that was developed by Anthropic. However, I understand your broader point about the risks of unrestrained AI development.

Musk has definitely been vocal about ensuring AI is developed safely and its power not abused. That's a valid concern many experts share as the technology continues advancing rapidly. Chatbots like ChatGPT do seem relatively benign for now, but it's wise to consider how to establish ethical guidelines as capabilities improve.

- contact@gptportugues.com

 

First of all I see opportunities in having more intelligence available.

But if the wrong people use it it could be a problem.

And another inherent problem could be the ability to fake everything. If these things could create indistinguishable fake news and fake evidence of fake events and fake statements, thenceforth we all could only trust or own eyes and ears again like 200 years ago.

 

I don't usually advocate for artificial intelligence, but the classical streaming service Idagio has published a number of top 10 playlists based on choices made by ChatGPT, and I thought it might be interesting to see what this machine views as "top 10" content.

You may view the choices the chatbot made here: music There are top 10 symphonies, string quartets, and a few composers in particular.

We shouldn't be concerned, according to Idagio, because its artists and specialists will continue to select music in the future.

 

if I ever have to ask some stupid computer about music, I'll just shoot myself, thanks

 

It is fun to mess with ChatGPT. I asked it how Erik Satie's interest in stamp collecting influenced his score of Parade. It came up with an intelligent exposition of a complete non-truth.

 

Why do I get the suspicion that when many of you out there on this Forum realize that I, Sonnet CLV, am nothing more than an AI generated signal from the ether known as Internet, you will begin ... t-t-to hate [hate, hate] m-m-m-m-mail m-m-m ...me ...

Oh oh! My plug is l-l-loose in the w-wall s-s-socket. Gotta go [go, go] ... tighten it in the ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- off line

 

I knew it!!

 

I made an account and tried ChatGPT out a few times, and didn't find it particularly useful. I prefer to do my own search and know the sources I'm getting the information from. I'm a big fan Google and find their products the best.

 

In time, as AI progresses, we should be able to dispense with doctors, therapists, music teachers and lawyers. So in some senses AI is a positive development.

 

Is it possible to access chatgpt4?
The one I get access to for free always ends up creating bad information


Carlo Maria Giulini's recording of Bruckner's Ninth Symphony with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, which was released in 1992 on Deutsche Grammophon, is generally well-regarded by critics and listeners, though it may not be considered as highly acclaimed as his 1985 recording with the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra.
The performance is noted for its emotional intensity and the highly polished playing of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. However, some critics have noted that the interpretation may lack some of the subtlety and nuance of the earlier recording, and that Giulini's tempos are somewhat slower than what is traditionally heard in Bruckner performances.
Overall, the Chicago Symphony Orchestra recording is still considered to be a strong performance of the work, and a valuable addition to Giulini's discography, but it may not be regarded as a definitive or groundbreaking interpretation of the symphony.

I think you made a mistake, his Chicago Symphony Orchestra recording is from the late 70s

You are correct, and I apologize for the error in my previous response. Carlo Maria Giulini's recording of Bruckner's Ninth Symphony with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra was actually made in the late 1970s, not in 1992 as I previously stated. This recording was released by Deutsche Grammophon in 1979.
Giulini's recording with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra has been well-regarded by many critics and listeners, and is noted for its precise execution and careful attention to detail. Some have praised the performance for its balance of power and restraint, and for the way in which it conveys the deep emotion and spirituality of the music.
Overall, while there may not be a clear consensus on which of Giulini's recordings of Bruckner's Ninth Symphony is the "best," all three recordings (with the Vienna Philharmonic, Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and Berlin Philharmonic) have been recognized as significant contributions to the discography of this important work.

You made more mistakes, it's from 1977 and released by EMI

I apologize for the confusion in my previous responses. You are correct that Carlo Maria Giulini's recording of Bruckner's Ninth Symphony with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra was recorded in 1977 and was released by EMI, not Deutsche Grammophon.
This recording has been highly regarded by many critics and listeners, and is noted for its controlled and nuanced interpretation of the work, as well as the precise and powerful playing of the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. Some have praised Giulini's ability to convey the complex emotions and spiritual depths of the music, while others have noted his careful attention to detail and the structure of the symphony.
Overall, while opinions may differ on which of Giulini's recordings of Bruckner's Ninth Symphony is the "best," his performance with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra is considered to be a significant contribution to the discography of this work, and a notable achievement in his career.

 

AI to me feels so far as if your loving dog were a god, I don't see how the break to it wanting to kill us would happen

 

Some weeks ago I asked Chat GPT for an analysis of Schubert's Quartettsatz (String Quartet No. 12 C minor) D.703.

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My Question:
can you analyze the quartettsatz of franz schubert?

The answer by Chat GPT:

Certainly! The Quartettsatz, also known as "Quartet Movement in C minor," is a single-movement string quartet composed by Franz Schubert. It is considered one of Schubert's most remarkable chamber music compositions, displaying his mastery of thematic development and expressive depth.

Here is a brief analysis of the Quartettsatz:

Key: C minor

Form: The Quartettsatz follows a modified sonata form structure, deviating from the traditional exposition-development-recapitulation scheme. It consists of an extended introduction, an exposition, a development-like section, and a recapitulation.

Introduction: The piece begins with a dramatic and intense introduction in C minor. It features a lyrical, mournful melody played by the cello, followed by a response from the viola and violins. The introduction creates an atmosphere of melancholy and sets the emotional tone for the entire movement.

Exposition: The exposition presents two contrasting themes. The first theme, in C minor, is characterized by a forceful, agitated motif that creates a sense of urgency. The second theme, in E-flat major, provides a serene and lyrical contrast to the opening theme, offering a moment of respite and reflection.

Development-like section: Rather than a traditional development section, Schubert introduces new material that resembles a developmental episode. It explores various thematic transformations, modulations, and dramatic fluctuations in dynamics and texture. This section builds tension and intensity, showcasing Schubert's skillful handling of motivic development.

Recapitulation: The recapitulation brings back the themes heard in the exposition but with some modifications. The first theme returns in C minor, maintaining its initial character. The second theme is restated in C major, offering a brighter and more triumphant atmosphere compared to its initial presentation in the exposition. Schubert brings the movement to a powerful and energetic conclusion with a decisive C minor chord.

Overall, the Quartettsatz exhibits Schubert's ability to combine dramatic and introspective elements within a concise and emotionally charged structure. It showcases his talent for creating memorable melodies, harmonic exploration, and evoking a range of emotions through his compositional choices.

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Comment:
Not too bad!
However, a major error:
- What Chat GPT calls the 2nd subject is in A-flat major, not E-flat major.

The form has been discussed very much with diverging results. Are there two subjects or three? Are the first 12 bars a subject or an introduction?

Currently, the common opinion seems to converge to some view, where they recognize that D.703 has a form on its own. It is impossible to press it into some sonata shape without loss of logic.

 

I think the present danger of language model AI is the torrent of nonsense it will unleash onto the internet. People are already quite bad at discerning facts from repetitive fictions. When there are hundreds more fictions to choose from, I fear facts will be even further submerged.

 

I think the present danger of language model AI is the torrent of nonsense it will unleash onto the internet.

I think, torrents of nonsense have been present in the internet a long time before AI was in a useable format.

I don't want to talk about alternative facts at this place.

Sometimes it could be a question of the perspective, what is fact and what is not. Even if we don't ask Einstein for such situations.

 

I asked Chat GPT about the future of Classical Music. Its response I think is well-considered, even commendable :

"The future of classical music is a subject of ongoing discussion and speculation, and it can be influenced by various factors. While it's challenging to predict with certainty, several trends and possibilities may shape the future of this genre:

1. Adaptation and Innovation: Classical music has a rich history, but it also needs to adapt to contemporary times. Some classical musicians and composers are exploring innovative ways to blend traditional classical elements with modern influences, incorporating technology, and experimenting with new performance formats. This adaptation may attract a broader and younger audience.
2. Digital Age and Accessibility: The digital age has made classical music more accessible to a global audience. Streaming platforms, online performances, and digital recordings have expanded the reach of classical music beyond traditional concert halls. As technology continues to evolve, classical music may further integrate with virtual reality, augmented reality, and interactive experiences.
3. Education and Outreach: Nurturing an appreciation for classical music among younger generations is vital for its future. Educational initiatives and outreach programs in schools and communities can expose more people to classical music and develop a new generation of performers and enthusiasts.
4. Diversity and Inclusion: The classical music world has been criticized for its lack of diversity and representation. Moving forward, there may be increased efforts to promote diversity and inclusion among composers, performers, conductors, and audiences, resulting in a more vibrant and representative classical music community.
5. Fusion with Other Genres: Classical music has historically influenced and been influenced by other genres. The future may see further collaborations and fusions between classical music and contemporary styles, broadening its appeal and relevance to a wider audience.
6. Preservation and Revival: Preserving classical music's vast repertoire and historical recordings is crucial to maintaining its legacy. There might be ongoing efforts to digitize and archive classical music, making it accessible for future generations and scholars.
7. Funding and Support: Financial support for classical music institutions, such as orchestras, opera houses, and music schools, will play a significant role in shaping the future. Continued investment and patronage are essential for sustaining classical music's presence and growth.

Ultimately, the future of classical music will depend on the collective efforts of musicians, composers, educators, audiences, and cultural institutions. Embracing change, fostering creativity, and finding ways to connect with diverse audiences will be key to ensuring the continued relevance and vitality of classical music in the years to come."

 

What is the danger you see?

As far as I see AI has no will, so humans can control it even if it gets much better than today.

I asked ChatGPT recently if there are similar masses to those of Anton Bruckner. It gave me three masses of Gustav Mahler as answer. I agree a lot of work has to be done. But in some fields of application ChatGPT is already extremly useful.

The viewpoint presented regarding AI's lack of will and human control is valid to an extent. AI systems like ChatGPT are designed to assist humans and operate based on the instructions and data they are provided with. However, it's important to recognize that as AI technology advances, there may be unforeseen challenges and ethical considerations.