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Contemporary Music Discussion: Spectralism

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#1 · (Edited)
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In the 20th century, we witnessed how each of the classical conceptions on music were analysed with a critical eye. Traditional conceptions of melody, harmony, and form were reinvented or replaced.

But, despite all these changes, in the 50's a key conception of western classical music was alive like never before.
What was this conception?: a way of thinking about the role of sound in music.
In this conception there's an identification: sound=pitch (of course, I'm exaggerating a little in order to make the point)

Harmony consists in a set of rules for organizing these building blocks, pitch.
For example, we have an ordered set of twelve different notes, {Pi}, then the twelve tone method tells you how you can combine these notes in order to produce music. The key here is that these notes are thought as some kind of absolute entities; once we consider the concept abstractly, some of its other properties (like timbre) are discarded. There's an idealization of sound as pitch, and of music as the art of organizing pitches, i.e., given these fundamental pitches (the chromatic scale), music is like the study of the combinatorial properties of this set.

The chromatic scale is an ideal thing, which is realized in different instruments.
This is a very mathematical (and western) way of thinking. For example, in mathematics you can define the concept of a vector space as an abstract set equiped with certain rules which tell you how to add two elements and how to multiply them by a scalar. You don't care very much for the nature of the elements of the set; if they satisfy the axioms of the definition of a vector space, then you can apply the theorems of vector spaces to the set. Vector spaces can be realized in very different ways, as a set of n-tuples of numbers, as a set of matrices, as a set of functions, and even as a set of differential operators. I hope you can see the analogy with music working here.

In spectralism this notion is completely abandoned in favor of taking sound (in all of its complexity) as the building block and music as the art of manipulating sound. In this way, timbre takes a prominent role here. The chromatic scale is abandoned, the variable is now the frequency of the sound wave and its range is a continuum.

The key aspect to appreciate in this music is the final texture of the sound, which is often very complex. And also the way in which this texture evolves in time.

According to Tristan Murail, "music is ultimately sound evolving in time". In this interview Grisey gives interesting insights http://www.angelfire.com/music2/davi...er/grisey.html.
Historically, in the origins of spectralism is the music Ligeti composed in the 60's (Atmospheres, Lontano, etc.), pieces composed as a response to serialism and in which we can see some these new ideas about the role of sound in music.

In the 70's, all this was taken to an extreme level of sophistication when composers at IRCAM started to use tools from physics (like Fourier analysis) in order to study sound with a scientific precision, in order to use its properties in a more informed, and then effective, way.

Examples:

-Very early precursors:

Composers of the Second Viennese School paid special attention to timbre. Also the Impressionists. Varese's new conceptions of the role of sound.

Schoenberg - Farben (#3 of Five Pieces for Orchestra, also called "Summer Morning by a Lake: Chord Colours"; 1908): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zpze1UEF30c#t=101

-The birth of modern spectralism - proto spectralism:

Ligeti - Atmosphères:

Ligeti - Lontano:

-Spectralism:

Nørgård - Voyage into the Golden Screen:

Grisey - Partiels:

Grisey - Vortex Temporum:

Murail - Gondwana:

Murail - Bois flotté:

Haas- In Vain:

Horatiu Radulescu - Khufu's Serpent IV for ensemble:

-Spectralism today:

Haas - limited approximations (2010):

Murail - Les Sept Paroles (2010):

Also of interest (timbre and rhythm):

Ligeti - violin concerto:

Furrer - piano concerto:

Fell free to make any contribution, and particularly to introduce any other composer of this style.
 
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#2 ·
Not sure about the style part.

The Romanian spectralists, who are the ones I know well, sound nothing like the French spectralists.

Ana-Maria Avram and Iancu Dumitrescu and their circle.

Not sure why, because the Romanians are coming out of an acousmatic tradition, and acousmatic is about as French as you can get.

Not that I'm complaining, you understand. Variety is good. More variety is even gooder.:)
 
#3 · (Edited)
Yes, the Romanian spectralists consider their style as different, a variant I think, and indeed sounds different (also, Dumitrescu makes a heavy use of electronics, even pure electronic-tape pieces, while in the Frech is more "moderate" to purely acoustic, at least in Murail, Grisey and Haas) . My intention was to make just a very general explanation of what I think was an important aspect.
The samples, yes, are shamefully partial to the acoustic side.
Also, I'm not very familiar with modern Romanian spectralism. They are not acousmatic?.
I have only listened to a couple of pieces:
, for example. I would say the French tend to be more "smooth" in their textures.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Also: Hugues Dufourt; some say that he´s the creator of the term
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_music

some fascinating titles in his ensemble works

"L´Afrique d´Apres Tiepolo" (2005)
and
"L´Asie d´Apres Tiepolo" (2009)
and

I own a good deal of the works on the list; based on quite superficial listening, my favourite works from these composers are

Murail:"L´Esprit des Dunes" (highly recommended, a very cinematic piece)

Furrer:"Piano Concerto" (but I do think he´s a bit too repetitive)

People have mentioned Haas more here recently, unknown to me, will try to catch up.
 
#8 ·
Spectralism seems to me a very fascinating new way to hear music. Since the 80s, from my limited knowledge, composers have taken this basic idea in different directions; some have been interested in integrating parts of the "sound" of spectral music into more traditional narratives, while others want to expand the timbral palette of music even more.

My ears are still primarily attuned to the 12-note chromatic scale, so music involving lots of microtonal inflections takes some getting used to. I enjoy Ligeti and his students' work quite a bit, and I've appreciated examples posted here and elsewhere by Grisey, Furrer, etc. I'm looking forward to an interesting discussion here.
 
#9 · (Edited)
I quite like Murail's work... or that of his work with which I am familiar... Grisey a bit less. Other composers that I am fond of who also strike me as having links to "Spectralism" include Takemitsu, Giacinto Scelsi, Ligeti, and Messiaen (proto-Spectralism?) as well as Kaija Saariaho, Jonathan Harvey, and Julian Anderson. I also think of Pascal Dusapin (his opera, Perelà, uomo di fumo).

And what of Erkki-Sven Tüür?
 
#11 ·
You can certainly play quarter-tones on a flute, at least (Takemitsu calls for them pretty frequently). You can probably do the same with brass using hand-stopping and the like.

I've never heard any spectral music for piano (I'll check out the concerto suggested above). Not sure if the alternate tuning is usually called for, or if the composer just deals with it and adds microtonality elsewhere.
 
#12 ·
A quarter tone oboe:

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I guess that, on wind instruments, microtones can be played using embouchure manipulation.

Spectral music is very interesting, but it seems that you have to know a great deal of acoustics knowledge to compose a good piece!

Best regards, Dr
 
#15 ·
Mictrotones through alternative fingering on winds and brass, peeps. I've seen some microtonal fingering charts that would blow your mind (not looking at anyone in particular, bassoon) - and lots are online if you wish to check em out

I like the "spectralism as an aesthetic" concept rather than as a defined style - otherwise it's a bit reductive. Additional ups for Julian Anderson and Giacinto Scelsi who are quite different but demonstrate spectral characteristics. Scelsi's small ensemble pieces - string duos and trios spring to mind - are intersting examples of how the spectral aesthetic can work in lighter textures. Julian Anderson has some rip-roaring orchestral stuff.
 
#24 · (Edited)
"Voyage into the Golden Screen" was one of my first forays into spectralism. It was introduced to me by my composition teacher, he brought in the score and we listened to it. My interest in timbre has sparked my love with this style, I've always had a habit when listening to music to pay attention to the tone colours and orchestration foremost, with other elements of music not really sinking in as much.

My actual introduction to spectralism came about when reading liner notes of a CD of music by Hugues Dufourt, who coined the term "spectralism" to apply to music. Since then I discovered Grisey and Haas and Murail (I think Murail has actually written a guitar piece, I need to hunt that down so I can play it) and my absolute favourite spectral piece is "Mortuous Plango, Vivos Voco" by Jonathan Harvey.

I'm still skimming the surface when it comes to this style, however, still exploring. My thanks to Aleazk to bringing the topic up and supplying terrific info on music. I'll listen to the links in the OP.
 
#27 ·
This piece starts off sounding like a very dramatic scene from some thriller movie. I like that association or at least how the movies have used similar sounds, if not the exact piece.

 
#30 · (Edited)
Spectralism came about from studies of instrument sounds at IRCAM, in an attempt to re-create (synthesize) these natural instruments' characteristic attack, delay, and decay characteristics, as well as create the differences which occur with changes of register. The advent of digital sampling almost rendered this endeavor meaningless, as it probably still is to most rappers who use samplers, but die-hard purists like Wendy Carlos still persisted in creating their own sound-replicas from the ground up, as witnessed in Digital Moonscapes and Beauty In the Beast.

Syntax aside, what was accomplished, and how has it been used? What is the purpose of exploring the intricacies of the harmonics of single notes, which balance creates what we know as "timbre?" Certainly, the Spectralist agenda differs from the agenda of DJ Shadow and other rap and "loop" music creators.

Unlike tonal music, Spectralism ascribes no horizontal function to sound; it is purely visceral, purely vertical. It has had to leave the confines of the 12-note scale as well, in order to seek its higher destiny in the upper harmonic regions of single fundamental notes, eternal "1" references, unto themselves, which generate the individual, distinct "spectrums" of harmonic we recognize as "timbres." When composed of odd-number harmonics, the spectra becomes bell-like; when absent, the spectra becomes more flute-like; with square-waves, clarinets are evoked, and with sawtooth waves, violins emerge. Electronic/computer synthesis, coupled with computer analysis. has allowed us these insights.

Now, it seems the Spectralist agenda is one of art, as opposed to mere replication of sounds; sampling can do that, now. Now, we are left with the knowledge of these spectra, and the goal now is to create new sounds based on new combinations, either by synthesis or by natural instruments, albeit altered, in order to recreate the untempered frequencies which are needed.

Piano can be used to suggest such strange spectra, even though it is confined to the chromatic scale. But I've heard Tritan Murail, in his piano music, use the piano very convincingly. After all, the wound steel coils we call "piano strings" are really halfway between a true gut string and a metal bar, as any piano tuner can tell you. Pianos must be "stretch-tuned" to compensate for the gradually rising-in-pitch, out-of-tune higher harmonic which arise when its metallic, bright strings are struck by the hammers. Inherently, the modern piano is quite a spectral creature by nature. After hearing Marc Hamelin's playing of Charles Ives' Concord Sonata, one is tempted to cite Ives as being a spectralist, such was his love for dissonance and strange harmonic-overtone effects. Debussy is also an obvious progenitor of Spectralism.
 
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#36 ·
Well, Debussy was around when the equal-tempered tuning system had almost been perfected (this happened in 1919 with the publication of White's Industrial Arts book, after electronic tuning was possible). The whole-tone scale, with its equally-spaced notes, sounded very shimmering in this newly perfected ET tuning. Debussy worked with the piano as a sound-source unto itself, like Murail; writing on the piano rather than for the piano. In other words, he was interested in sound itself, rather than sound as a filter for some sort of musical rhetoric, theoretical statement, or narrative. Like an abstract painter, he became more interested in the paint (color, texture, tint, contrast) than the depiction. The sound is no longer a medium for some other rhetorical or narrative aspect of music; the sound is accepted and used as the medium unto itself. This is like electronic music, and, indeed, many of the spectralists had IRCAM backgrounds.
 
#39 ·
Some of Grisey's work is rather dark. Artistically, I see Spectralism as being an extension of the French art aesthetic. I'm thinking of Surrealism, Mallarme, Rimbaud, Verlaine, and such.
 
#47 ·
I am rather curious... are spectralist composers the postmodern heirs of imagism to Debussy and Ravel... where colors punctuate all that they compose? Sound worlds aglore.