First, no troll posting on how heavy metal sucks or is pop music or whatnot. The only posts I want to see in this thread are about metal and from people who enjoy it, with news on metal, sharing metal tastes, and overall positive metal discussion. No posting on how it sucks and is not music or is related to Pop music please. Thank you.

Those are fair conditions ... we will try our best to uphold those wishes

Krummhorn,
Assistant Administrator

 

Dear Krummhorn,

Since heavy metal is actually labelled popular music by every music dictionary, what precisely is fair about willful disregard for the truth? (Apropos acquiescence to the purportedly 'fair' conditions of which you speak.)

 

Candlemass-Demon's Gate

This is awesome, EDS is probably my favorite trad doom metal album.

Never heard the rest, gotta check them out.

 

You invidious creature, a day with that wretched people unconcern!

 

I never said that metal music (and all its derivatives) was not popular music.

What was said is that we support a "positive" discussion about the thread subject in response to the original thread post. We had enough negativity about it in another thread that eventually was closed due to all the infighting between members.

 

What was said is that we support a "positive" discussion about the thread subject in response to the original thread post.

The thread subject contains a falsehood, which I'll continue to point out (whilst ignoring the troll, of course).

 

Since heavy metal is actually labelled popular music by every music dictionary

And you blindly trust them. Good job.

 

No offence intended, but why is it so important to you that metal isn't labelled under the popular music banner? I mean, who cares?

 

but why is it so important to you that metal isn't labelled under the popular music banner?

Because it is not.

People who wrote those dictionaries can only get into Iron Maiden (and probably something else that is similar) and they think that because the bands that started metal were popular music that all metal is popular music. They have never learned how to appreciate good metal, but hey, they saw that metal has the sub-genre like black metal that is "easy" to make(I mean, 2-3 riffs per song, c'mon) so metal is popular music just because it is easy to make. Deep down they know that they have never got into good death and black metal and that they fail (although they excel at watching TV)

 

"I fail to understand metal, therefore it sucks."

 

The fact that this subforum is administered by someone named Krummhorn tells me metal doesn't suck and that if I don't understand it, MAYBE I SHOULD LISTEN TO MORE OF IT! I say this because my favorite classical music is medieval music. I figure that someone named Krummhorn must also appreciate medieval music. If someone who appreciates medieval music also likes metal, metal deserves to be taken seriously! Therefore, I can relate to the first part of this quote, but the second part indicates closed-mindedness which does nobody any good.

 

Oh my goodness, people...

 

This.......🤣

 

Jesus Christ, please stop arguing and let's please have this be a normal metal thread. If you don't like metal, please stay out.

If this continues, I will ask the Administrators to lock this thread yet again.

 

Jesus Christ, please stop arguing and let's please have this be a normal metal thread. If you don't like metal, please stay out.

If this continues, I will ask the Administrators to lock this thread yet again.

Yes, please do.

 

No offense to this poster, but I would like to see him come out of this topic for a while and talk to the classical fans. This is, after all, a classical forum. We'd love to see a new face amongst us.

 

I have, I have been mainly on the Orchestral and Classical Music Discussion Forums. This one keeps bringing back my attention because so many replies are happening.

 

Metalhead, what do you think of metallica? Their first four albums were thrash metal classics.

 

Their original albums were good, but after The Black Album, everything was horrible and went downhill.

 

Here are some passages from an article that Contrapunctus666 posted on the now locked thread:

And we all know that a female's **** blood reeks worse than month old road kill. Ever stuck your nose into
one of those used **** plugs (sorry, tampons is the proper word, silly me)? Well, its sufficient to pay the
bathroom a visit after a menstruating female has been there to relieve herself of that blood of shame.

Misogyny [tick]

If I were gay, I would probably not even occupy my mind with these beings and their disgusting behavior,
just like I don't wish to comment any more on subhumans such as gay human males.

Homophobia [tick]

Although I hate all parts of humankind, Congoids are somewhat special, maybe because they know they are
inferior to all the rest and act accordingly.

Norway has sold this country to the above mentioned invaders and similar
scum like Pakistanis.

Racism [tick]

http://www.talkclassical.com/47978-post621.html

Do we really want someone posting links to such inflammatory guff as this? Solution: ban the person responsible.

 

Here are some passages from an article that Contrapunctus666 posted on the now locked thread:

Misogyny [tick]

Homophobia [tick]

Racism [tick]

http://www.talkclassical.com/47978-post621.html

Do we really want someone posting links to such inflammatory guff as this? Solution: ban the person responsible.

For the first time, I agree with him. BAN Contrapucntus666.

To Herzeleide: We know you are a christian and hate metal, there are other threads on the forum. Please refrain from imposing your negativity here.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popular_music_genres

 

Good job, Wikipedia is always 100% correct isn't it?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...r_music_genres

I have already said that the music classification into high art/popular/folk has been created by the people who never got into the sound of metal so therefore they FAIL.

I would insult myself saying that you are equal to me.

Of course that I am superior, I can understand that good metal is high art and you can't, therefore I am superior.

I listened to it

Obviously you listened to crappy metal like Sonata Arctica, new Therion etc.

Not high art, just normal, acceptable music.

Metal was a revolt against the normal (read:average) music.

Currently reading Varg Vikernes' Vargsmal. Great book so far. It would be funny to see an IQ duel between him and Aramis.

 

I have already said that the music classification into high art/popular/folk has been created by the people who never got into the sound of metal so therefore they FAIL.

Of course that I am superior, I can understand that good metal is high art and you can't, therefore I am superior.

Obviously you listened to crappy metal like Sonata Arctica, new Therion etc.

Metal was a revolt against the normal (read:average) music.

Currently reading Varg Vikernes' Vargsmal. Great book so far. It would be funny to see an IQ duel between him and Aramis.

If feel that strongly about metal, then what in the world are you doing on a classical music forum?

Isn't there a metal forum somewhere that you can go troll around in?

 

ENOUGH ALREADY (again)

We will return to the original thread subject, or this thread will be shut down permanently.

 

Thank you sir!

Now, onto discussion.

I have lately also have been getting into the Depressive/Suicidal Black Metal scene. Most I have heard is not too good, but after looking more I have found very good ones. They definately portray the feelings of depression very well at times. Here are some good songs.

Springtime Depression by Forgotten Tomb (nice instrumental piece, very melancholic)

Ableben by Wehmut (the album cover is incredibly depressing to me, just feels so isolated and cold, brilliant photography work, matches the sound of the music perfectly)

Suicide Forest by Be Persecuted (not too crazy about the intro though)

My Funeral To Come by Beatrik (This song always reminds me of my grandfathers death, so it really gets to me at times)

 

Yes, please.

Or we could just ban anyone who expresses even the vaguest interest in becoming interested in becoming interested in metal. Or we could just stone them.. that's always a viable option.

 

If members despise this thread, then just leave it alone. This thread IS in the Non-Classical section of the forum. If one does not like metal, then leave this thread alone. There are others who do appreciate this form of music and it is their right here to have a civil discussion about it.

There are a few areas within the classical genre that I can't stand, but I don't post chastising comments about that type of music or suggest they get "stoned" because I don't like it.

Back to the thread subject ...

 

As for Metallica, I will just say that Call of Ktulu and Orion both enter top 10 metal songs ever.

I don't find their other stuff to be very interesing anymore (to me). however First 3 albums are great anyway.

Black, Load and Reload were one of the albums that helped me to get into metal sound, so it is at least one reason why I have some minimum respect towards them. However, they are rock music.

As for DSBM, Mutiilation is great:

Through the Funeral Maelstorm of Evil

Taken from Remains of a Ruined, Dead, Cursed Soul

 

Serious thread, eh? Oh well... I've ended my metal "journey" 2-3 (or so) years ago, I very rarely listen to it now, and when I do its mostly melodic death or some bands or songs of other metal genres that I've used to listen to way back when. Again, really rarely. I'm also composing (with a speed of a turtle, unfortunately) songs in a heavy-melodeath genre, I'm planning on recording them someday and make an album, about half of it is already composed (with lyrics, only thing that's lacking is proper drum arrangements, but it'll be fixed once I start putting this stuff in a daw using sampled drums), and I'll probably gonna finish the other half in a year or so, since I've really lost interest in this project a long time ago, but it sort of a matter of principle now to finish it, so I think it will be ready. Um... yeah, returning to the metal... It's a really nice genre, imo, based on the quite unique sound of a distorted electrical guitar, more-than-usual attention to the drums and, of course, perfect fifths. With songs based on the verse-chorus-verse pattern - either literally or in a more (sometimes much more) sophisticated way, but still based on that thing. I've started from hard rock, then heavy metal -> power (traditional, not the "excessive use of synth. strings" genre) -> black (true Norw. stuff, sympho pseudo-black) -> doom (death/doom, funeral) -> prog. (although it was mostly prog. rock, but nvm, there was some metal too). I probably got tired of it because I've listened to pretty much all of the significant (original) bands out there in every metal sub-genre - it's really tiresome to search for a good new band that plays something original. Got into abstract hip-hop and IDM afterwards and some other stuff, then classical...

I'm also sort of... curious... about this whole "popular music" thing going on here. Really, does it matter? The way I see it - there's classical music and all the other music (named popular, for some reason, and yeah, I do include jazz there). This is in no way connected to the "pop music" genre. So... why all the noise about this stuff? Really, it's just a... um... distinction between classical and other music, and I see good reason as to why it exists, most of you will agree, probably.

 

I'm also sort of... curious... about this whole "popular music" thing going on here. Really, does it matter? The way I see it - there's classical music and all the other music (named popular, for some reason, and yeah, I do include jazz there). This is in no way connected to the "pop music" genre. So... why all the noise about this stuff? Really, it's just a... um... distinction between classical and other music, and I see good reason as to why it exists, most of you will agree, probably.

That's the way I see it also. It almost seems to me as though some regard the words 'popular music' as an insult which is ridiculous in my opinion.

 

enter another metalhead....

I am more into power and melodic metal. most of band posted here are not familiar to me. the last famous thread give me a lot of nice video i never know before so I looking forward for this thread.

my latest installment on metal are :

hammerfall - no sacrifice no victory,new album after stefen elgram era.
impellitteri - wicked maiden, bob rock and impellitteri is back
vision divince - 9 degree west to the moon

and found a nice side project album by nightwish's guitarist

brother firehood - heart full of fire, this is an aor keyboard orientated album which is veryyyyy goood.

 

I used to be a huge Hammerfall fan. I remember those days - listening to Regenade or Legacy of Kings four times per day. However, they don't hold my interest for more than 5-6 minutes anymore.

I never really liked Mutiilation, I don't know why, they are just a little boring to me.

It took me two listens to appreciate the album I mentioned, however, I have found a lot of superior black metal. Try to get into Ildjarn instead:

Natt og take

 

Children of Bodom anyone?

Basically I love the neoclassical metal and melodic death metal genres.

 

I was in a Black/Thrash Technical Death Metal band 3 years ago, but no recordings were made. Lately I've been composing Symphonic Depressive Funeral Black/Drone Doom Metal in the veins of Shape of despair, Forgotten Tomb, Doom VS, Nyktalgia, Nortt, Sun O))), Thy Light, and many others.

I've been listening to this Shoegaze Post Punk Black Metal movement lately (since 2008), like Heretoir, Liam, Alcest, Amesoeurs, Les Discrets, and many others.

Do not get confused with Post Rock Metal like Jesu, Russian Circles and Life Lover.

What do you guys think about Symphonic Metal?

Best albums in the genre so far ( according to me)

Deggial - Therion
Dawn of Victory - Rhapsody.

 

Symphonic Depressive Funeral Black/Drone Doom Metal in the veins of Shape of despair, Forgotten Tomb, Doom VS, Nyktalgia, Nortt, Sun O))), Thy Light, and many others

Lol. Jks..

 

BTW, Which Mutilation are you guys talking about?

PS: Viking Metal is my favorite metal genre.

 

Pop = popular
but it could also mean Teen Contemporary Music.

Not all metal is popular. Popular genres of metal:

Heavy, Power, Thrash, Speed, Celtic, Symphonic Black, Black, Death, Doom (the most popular), NWOBHMM, and Industrial Gothic.