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Mozart's Great symphonies?

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#1 ·
Which of Mozart's symphonies do you consider to be great?

Just the last 3?

The last 5?

or maybe you'd include...25? 29? 31? 36?

(P.S. don't ask me to define great and don't moan about the use of the word :))

Thanks!
 
#5 ·
my favorite is #38 and I think it is as good as the last three.
then 36, 35, 34, 33, 29, 28, 25. That's 11, so I'd have to get rid of one for top 10, probably 28 although I think it is about as good as 29 and 25. Some of these Mozart symphonies were among the first classical works I got to know, so they will have a special place with me. IIRC I first had one LP with 38, 39 and a double with 6 "Salzburg symphonies", so I heard the "litte g minor" before I got to #40 and 41!
While it's not music I listen to frequently nowadays, I am still more likely to listen to Mozart's #28, 26, 31, 32 than to Tchaikovsky 1-3, Bruckner 0-2 or any of Glazunov's, for some random examples.
 
#6 ·
my favorite is #38 and I think it is as good as the last three.
then 36, 35, 34, 33, 29, 28, 25. That's 11, so I'd have to get rid of one for top 10, probably 28 although I think it is about as good as 29 and 25. Some of these Mozart symphonies were among the first classical works I got to know, so they will have a special place with me. IIRC I first had one LP with 38, 39 and a double with 6 "Salzburg symphonies", so I heard the "litte g minor" before I got to #40 and 41!
While it's not music I listen to frequently nowadays, I am still more likely to listen to Mozart's #28, 26, 31, 32 than to Tchaikovsky 1-3, Bruckner 0-2 or any of Glazunov's, for some random examples.
So you think 38-41 are great symphonies?

and the others you mentioned in a category below?
 
#10 ·
Mozart wasn't really a symphony-priority composer...most of his 40-some were written before he had fully matured as a composer. He was really an opera-first composer who wrote a lot of concertos for income and a lot of chamber music for performances with friends/colleagues...symphonies weren't as much a priority for him (at least based on what I've gathered from reading various biographies and the like). That being said, I think his last 3 are great, as are the 25th, and the rest from 26-onward were at least very good to me with the exception of 37, which obviously isn't Mozart's work. I think my favorite of his might be the 39th, where I hear a lot of parallels to Beethoven's 3rd (beyond just both being in E flat).
 
#15 ·
Recently I listened to all his symphonies in chronological order. There were a lot of beautiful ones among them. The first symphony also falls into the 'great' category for me. Beautiful slow movement. Unbelievable that such a young person composes such a melody full of melancholy.
Other symphonies that I think are great are: symphony 25, 29, 33, 40. I generally find the symphonies in which the timpani are prominently present less beautiful.
 
#19 · (Edited)
My favorites are Nos. 1, 8, 11, 12, 21, 25, 29, 31, 35, 36, 38, 39, 40 and 41. I think it's very difficult to properly delimit what's great and what's not, and I wouldn't say I have proper knowledge to tackle with this task, but my impression is that most would agree that at least Nos. 38-41 should be viewed as impressive feats of music.
 
#20 · (Edited)
My favorites are Nos. 1, 8, 11, 12, 21, 25, 29, 31, 35, 36, 38, 39, 40 and 41. I think it's very difficult to properly delimit what's great and what's not, and I wouldn't say I have proper knowlodge to tackle with this task, but my impression is that most would agree that at least Nos. 38-41 should be viewed as impressive feats of music.
Would any be in your top 10 symphonies?
 
#22 ·
I once heard from a professional conductor that orchestras usually have around 10 Mozart symphonies in their regular repertoire. If that is correct, they have to include earlier symphonies together with the last 6 (which are the most recorded). For me, all of Mozart's mature symphonies are among the greatest in the genre, along with his popular early works such as #25,29 and 33.
 
#25 · (Edited)
Due to this thread I listened to symphonies 25, 29 and 31 conducted by Klemperer. All of them were in my opinion as good as symphonies by Haydn.

It was with the very last symphonies (39-41) where Mozart finally surpassed Haydn, in my opinion. What he did was strengthening the profile of the melodic and rhythmic material towards the concept of ”emotionally high profile material of romanticism”. Beethoven was then to carry on the torch.

Only Symphony no. 40 by Mozart is in my top 10 of symphonies.

Beethoven: 6, 7, 9
Brahms: 1, 4
Mozart: 40
Sibelius: 2, 4, 7
Tchaikovsky: 6
 
#37 ·
The only I regularly return to are nos. 25, 40, and 41. The Haffner's probably my favorite of the rest. Perhaps I should give number 39 another go sometime.

In general, I've gotten a lot more out of the piano concertos than the symphonies.