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Pieces requiring Massive Orchestras

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#1 ·
I know of Schoenberg’s Gurre-Lieder, Brian’s 1st Symphony, Berlioz’s Requiem, and Mahler 8, but are there any other pieces that REQUIRE massive orchestras

I am not talking about specific performances that used more than the required amount, like the 10,000 people Beethoven 9. Rather, what pieces require larger orchestras.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Britten's War Requiem....full orchestra, chamber orchestra, full choir, boy's choir, soprano, tenor and bass solos.
Henze's 7th Symphony...enormous band...quadruple wind (including Hecklephone!), 6 horns, 6 trumpets, 5 bones (including contra bass trombone), a massive array of percussion, harp, piano, celesta and strings.....not performed too often.

(I once sang in the chorus at the Albert Hall for a live radio3 broadcast in front of the Queen in a performance of 'Messiah' that combined the orchestral and choral forces of all three of the major Musical Colleges in London under Sir David Wilcox. That was a big, big (and doubtless inappropriate) sound, but not relevant here. It was fun though).
 
#8 ·
Havergal BRIAN: Symphony No.3
In C sharp minor, 4 movements, 1931-32.

2 solo pianos.

2 piccolos, 4 flutes (2 also piccolos), 4 oboes (2 also cors anglais), 4 clarinets (2 also bass clarinets), E flat clarinet, 4 bassoons, 1 contrabassoon, 8 horns, 4 trumpets, 4 trombones, 2 tubas, 2 timpanists, bass drum, side drum, tenor drum, cymbals, tam-tam, triangle, tambourine, castanets, organ ad lib, 2 harps, celesta, strings.

Havergal BRIAN: Symphony No.4
‘Das Siegeslied’, 3 movements, 1932-33.

Soprano solo, double SATB choir and orchestra: 6 flutes (2 also piccolo, 1 also alto fl), 2 oboes, 2 oboi d’amore, 2 cors anglais, bass oboe, Eb clarinet, 4 Bb clarinets, 2 basset horns, 2 bass clarinet, pedal clarinet, 4 bassoons, 2 contra bassoons, 8 horns, 4 trumpets, 5 trombones, 2 tubas, 2 sets timpani, tam-tam, cymbals, bass drum, 3 side drums, tambourine, triangle, bell, 2 harps, glockenspiel, xylophone, organ, celeste, strings.
 
#17 · (Edited)
Maybe the Grand Grand Overture by Malcolm Arnold.

"A 20th-century parody of the late 19th century concert overture, scored for an enormous orchestra with organ, additional brass instruments, and obbligato parts for four rifles, three Hoover vacuum cleaners (two uprights in B♭, one horizontal with detachable sucker in C), and an electric floor polisher in E♭; it is dedicated to President Hoover!"

https://www.classicfm.com/radio/sho...esenters/everything-you-ever-wanted-know/overtures-and-openings/malcolm-arnold/

 
#16 · (Edited)
How are you all forgetting Stockhausen's Gruppen? It's split into three orchestras!

Orchestra I

Woodwinds

1 flute (doubling piccolo)
1 alto flute
1 oboe
1 English horn
1 clarinet
1 bassoon

Brass

2 horns (high and low)
2 trumpets
2 trombones (2nd with bass valve)
1 bass tuba

Percussion (4 percussionists)

1 marimbaphone (5 octaves) or 4-octave marimbaphone plus xylophone for highest octave
1 glockenspiel
5 cowbells [Almglocken] (suspended, without clappers): pitches 1, 4, 7, 10, 13
4 metal instruments, pitches 1, 4, 7, 10:
1 tamtam (large)
3 cymbals (large, medium, small)
2 wood drums (African slotted drums, each with 2 pitches): pitches 1, 7 / 4, 10
4 drums: tomtoms and/or tumbas and bongos (in the high register): pitches 1, 4, 7, 10
1 snare drum (shallow jazz drum, very bright sound)
1 tambourine (with either small bells or jingles)

Keyboards

1 keyboard glockenspiel (or celesta)

Strings

1 harp
10 violins
2 violas
4 cellos
2 double basses

Orchestra II

Woodwinds

2 flutes (1st doubling piccolo)
1 oboe
1 piccolo clarinet
1 alto saxophone (doubling clarinet)
1 baritone saxophone
1 bassoon

Brass

3 horns (1st and 3rd higher, 2nd lower)
2 trumpets
1 trombone
1 bass trombone

Percussion (4 percussionists)

1 vibraphone
14 tubular bells
4 cowbells [Almglocken] (suspended, without clappers): pitches 2, 5, 8, 11
4 metal instruments, pitches 2, 5, 8, 11:
1 tamtam (medium)
3 cymbals (large, medium, small)
2 wood drums (African slotted drums, each with 2 pitches): pitches 2, 8 / 5, 11
4 drums: tomtoms and/or tumbas and bongos (in the high register)
1 snare drum (shallow jazz drum, very bright sound)
1 tambourine (with either small bells or jingles)
1 ratchet
2 triangles (1 higher, 1 lower)

Keyboards

1 [grand] piano (without cover)

Strings

1 electric guitar
8 violins
4 violas
2 cellos
2 double basses

Orchestra III

Woodwinds

1 flute (doubling piccolo)
1 oboe
1 English horn
1 clarinet
1 bass clarinet
1 bassoon

Brass

3 horns (1st and 3rd higher, 2nd lower)
2 trumpets
2 trombones (both with bass valve)
1 contrabass trombone (or tuba)

Percussion (4 percussionists)

1 xylorimba (4 octaves) [according to the list of instruments in the preface; in the score itself, a marimbaphone is specified]
4 cowbells [Almglocken] (suspended, without clappers): pitches 3, 6, 9, 12
4 metal instruments, pitches 3, 6, 9, 12:
1 tamtam (small)
3 cymbals (large, medium, small)
2 wood drums (African slotted drums, each with 2 pitches): pitches 3, 9 / 6, 12
4 drums: tomtoms and/or tumbas and bongos (in the high register)
1 snare drum (shallow jazz drum, very bright sound)
1 tambourine (with small bells or jingles)

Keyboards

1 celesta (5 octaves)

Strings

1 harp
8 violins
4 violas
2 cellos
2 double basses
 
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#25 ·
Elliott Carter's Symphony of Three Orchestras should qualify

John Corigliano's Symphony #3 "Circus Maximus" also requires 3 ensembles of winds and percussion. There's an ensemble on the stage, then a "surround sound" ensemble spread throughout the theater, and then a "marching" band that starts in the back of the theater.
 
#28 ·
I've been reading Mallarme and this post made me think to look at recordings of Pli Selon Pli.

Maybe the most telling catalogue I've ever encountered.

On Amazon, there is no performance by anyone other than Boulez.

I heard Boulez with the LA Phil many years ago, one of his works which didn't make enough impression for me to remember which it was !! and a very fine La Mer.

Stravinsky at his snarkiest: Pli Selon Pli, both boringly pretty and pretty boring. That's what we get for letting him learn English.