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Its nearly a year since I posted on this thread and I haven't added any Mahler cycles to my previous list - self restraint obviously works at times. That's not to say I haven't added a few individual discs, I have but not many.
One thing I have finally concluded is I don't really have much time for Kubelik's Mahler, a set that gets a lot of praise. On the whole I find it fairly nondescript, its not bad just not to my taste. The other set that has fallen in my estimation is Tennstedt's EMI box.

The two recordings I have added that have given me the most pleasure recently have been symphonies one and two from Otmar Suitner, even if the record company irritatingly calls the first symphony 'Titan'.
The boxes I've listened most to over this year have been - Boulez, Sinopoli and Chailly.

I intend to give Bertini's set and Bernstein's DG set some attention in the coming months, can't have them just gathering dust on the shelves.
 
An overview:

I. Here are my top ten Mahler cycles in order of preference, yet none of them are entirely perfect or ideal:

1. Leonard Bernstein, New York Philharmonic, Columbia/Sony--the discount DSD remastered box set. I only really like 6 & 7 from Bernstein's later DG cycle, & maybe 1 & 3; yet, even so, I prefer the Columbia 7 & 3. While I think Bernstein's best 2nd is the live one with the LSO from Ely Cathedral in England (where the DVD release is preferable sound-wise). The Columbia 9th here has been much helped by the new & improved sonics, as has the whole cycle. By the way, these are the same DSD remasters that were used in the excellent Japanese hybrid SACDs:

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2. Riccardo Chailly, Concertgebouw Orchestra, Berlin RSO, Decca on CD, but sound-wise I prefer the individual hybrid SACDs of 3 & 9 (even on my conventional CD player), which are among the best performances from Chailly's cycle in my estimation.

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3. Riccardo Chailly, Gewandhaus Orchestra, Leipzig, which is virtually complete, as it includes Symphonies Nos. 1-2, 4-9 on Accentus Music DVD & Blu-ray.

Mahler Symphonies [Blu-ray] / Leipzig / Mahler / Chailly



4. EMI 150th Anniversary box set, with various conductors & orchestras:

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5. Bernard Haitink, Concertgebouw Orchestra--the recently remastered box set has made me realize that I've underestimated this excellent cycle in the past.

Mahler: The Symphonies & Song Cycles



6. Rafael Kubelik, Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra, on DG--In my opinion, Kubelik is at his best in 1, 3, 5, 7, & 9 - though in some cases I prefer his later live Audite recordings: such as in No. 7 for example. I'm also not crazy about DG's sound on CD. The following most recent remasters may sound better, but I've not heard them yet:

Mahler: 10 Symphonies



7. Vaclav Neumann, Czech Philharmonic, on both Supraphon & Tower Records Japan hybrid SACDs. Like the Concertgebouw, the Czech Philharmonic is one of the great Mahler orchestras in the world, & they deserve to be heard in these symphonies: whether it is with Neumann, Karel Ancerl in 1 & 9, or the exceptionally well recorded Zdeněk Mácal cycle on the audiophile Exton label.

I've most liked Neumann in the 8th, which is a 'classic' award winning recording & one of the better Mahler 8ths on record, in my opinion,


Though I should point out that Neumann's Mahler conducting is more understated than Bernstein's, for instance, but very musical in its own way.

G. Mahler: Symphonies Nos. 1-9 Complete


& on Tower Records Japan hybrid SACDs:

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In addition, I'd like to hear Neumann's later Canyon Classics/ Exton (7) hybrid SACD recordings too, also with the Czech Philharmonic--which, according to David Hurwitz are even better than the ones in the Supraphon box set,
Vaclav Neumann Mahler Last Recordings 7 SACD Hybrid from JAPAN - Picture 1 of 1


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8. Eliahu Inbal, Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra, on Denon--not the top Mahler orchestra on my list, but it's a well played cycle by a fine Mahler conductor, & the Denon PCM digital sonics were exceptional for their time. I've probably most liked the 7th & 10th Symphonies from Inbal's cycle. I should point out that he plays the Adagio in the 5th very slowly, & beautifully, bringing it in at 11:34: Symphony No. 5, IV. Adiagetto. So, it's definitely not in the Bruno Walter camp (at 7: 35): Symphony No. 5 in C-Sharp Minor: IV. Adagietto. Considering that this movement was a "love letter" to Mahler's future wife, Alma, according to her, I think it loses a sense of urgency & passion when it is played so slowly. & again, Inbal's 1st movement of the 5th is on the slow side as well, especially when you compare it to Mahler's piano roll. I expect some listeners may feel that Inbal drags the music in places. But I don't dislike his 5th, rather I value hearing different interpretations:

Mahler: Complete Symphony


By the way, Inbal also made a later recording of the 7th with the Czech Philharmonic on Exton hybrid SACD: Inbal conducts Mahler: Symphony No.7.

9. Claudio Abbado, various orchestras: Berlin, Vienna, Chicago, on DG--Abbado was probably at his best in the 7th, whether it was with the Chicago SO or his later 7th with the Berlin Philharmonic (though I prefer Bernstein & maybe Klemperer & Kubelik live on Audite in the 7th). I also like Abbado's first Berlin recording of the 8th too,



10. Claudio Abbado, Berlin Philharmonic, Lucerne Festival Orchestra, on DG--the critics raved about the Berlin 6th & Lucerne 9th in this box set. They are very good performances, but I have other preferences in these two symphonies.

I don't know the Gielen & Bertini cycles, & only partly know Rattle's Birmingham cycle (though I've liked his 2nd & both the Bournemouth & Berlin 10ths).

Segerstam's Danish cycle is erratic. Sometimes his interpretations are quirky, other times quite slow, but on the whole it's a good, well recorded cycle & the orchestra playing is excellent.

I find Tennstedt's EMI Mahler cycle to be likewise excellent at times--such as in the 2nd, but overall, I think his set is slightly overrated. Tennstedt's Mahler seems to have been better live, such as in his various live 5ths.

As for Sir Georg Solti, or the "screaming skull" (as members of the CSO called him), I prefer his earlier 1960s LSO Mahler recordings--before Solti had a bad ear infection in the 1970s that I've been told adversely effected his hearing--to the later Chicago SO box set cycle; though his Chicago 8th is a much lauded recording by the critics.

Lastly, Giuseppe Sinopoli's Mahler with the Philharmonia Orchestra is best avoided, in my view, though his 2nd & 8th are good, surprisingly.

II. Partial sets & individual recordings:

1. F. Charles Adler--1, 2, 3, 6, & 10, with the Vienna Symphony Orchestra:



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2. Bruno Walter--1, 2, 4, 5, 9, with the New York Philharmonic & Columbia Symphony Orchestra:
Bruno Walter Conducts Mahler


Mahler: Symphony No.1, 2, 9 5 SA


I've never heard a better, more Viennese sounding 4th:


Nor should we forget that Mahler dedicated his 9th Symphony to Walter:


Here too are Walter’s recollections of Mahler:


3. Sir John Barbirolli--1, 5, 6, 9 & two orchestral song cycles with Dame Janet Baker (which is a 'desert island' disc of mine):

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4. Otto Klemperer-- 2, 4, 7 & 9, and an exceptional "Das Lied von der Erde":

Mahler: Symphonies 2, 4, 7 & 9 / Das Lied von der Erde



5. Gunther Herbig, 5, 6, 9 - Saarbrucken RSO & Berlin Symphony Orchestra. Herbig is an unsung conductor, but in my view he is one of the better Mahler conductors (& orchestra builders) of the digital era (along with Chailly). For example, he appears to have listened very carefully to Mahler's piano roll of the 1st movement of the 5th, in developing his interpretation:

Symphony 6



6. Carla Maria Giulini--1, 9, Chicago Symphony Orchestra, on EMI & DG:


7. Karel Ančerl--1, 9, Czech Philharmonic Orchestra, on Supraphon Gold:


8. Jascha Horenstein--1, 3, 4, 9, London Symphony Orchestra, BBC Philharmonic, etc.


9. Bernard Haitink, Concertgebouw Orchestra, live xmas matinee concerts, Philips: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, & 9, and Songs of a Wayfarer. The incomplete Berlin Philharmonic Philips cycle is good too, but I prefer these live recordings:


Mahler: Symphonies - Christmas Matinee


10. Rafael Kubelik, Bavarian RSO-- live concert performances, on Audite: 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 as well as an excellent The Song of the Earth, with Janet Baker and Waldemar Kmentt.


I've not heard Kurt Sanderling's Mahler on Berlin Classics, but would like to.

III. Of the conductors that knew & worked with Mahler, or saw him conduct his music:

Hermann Scherchen is thought to have played in an orchestra under Mahler's baton, but I don't know his Mahler well,

etc.

While Leopold Stokowki was in the audience at the premiere of the 8th, which Mahler conducted & where F. Charles Adler served as the chorus master.


Gustav Mahler. Symphony 2 (Leopold Stokowski) 1975

Interestingly, Bernstein once said that he was strongly influenced by F. Charles Adler's Mahler records (& he may possibly have attended Alder's concerts in Saratoga Springs, New York). However, curiously, I've never read any comments by Bernstein about Walter's influence on his Mahler conducting. Which doesn't entirely surprise me because to my ears Bernstein's early Columbia Mahler recordings sound closer to Adler's in conception, but without the use of violin slides: which, in contrast, are apparent in Adler's Vienna 2nd for example,


But apart from getting to know the varied interpretations of those that worked with Mahler, such as Wilhelm Mengelberg's two Mahler recordings & his Mahler supervised, hand marked conducting scores that are in the possession of the Concertgebouw Orchestra (which both Haitink & Chailly studied before making their Amsterdam cycles), along with the recordings by Oskar Fried & the Mahler proteges Walter & Alder--as well as possibly Klemperer, Scherchen & Stokowski (in the 8th)--to my mind, the best way to get a sense of how Mahler conducted his own music is to listen to the composer's 1905 piano rolls for M. Welte & Sohne in Leipzig, & especially his playing of the 1st "Trauermarsch" movement to his 5th Symphony:



As usual with my more lengthy posts on TC, they're not meant to be tackled all at once, listening-wise, but rather over time, if you wish.
 
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Okay, I’m going to make an updated list of my current ’Top 5’ favorite Mahler cycles --- in no particular order:

Bernstein/New York (Columbia/Sony)
Bertini/Rundfunk-Sinfonieorchester Köln (EMI)
Gielen/SWR Sinfonieorchester (Hänssler)
Solti/CSO (Decca)
Haitink/Concertgebouw (Philips)

For me, these cycles offer the most consistency and just excellent music-making in general. Honorable mention to Chailly/Concertgebouw on Decca, but these others edge him out. I also hated to have to exclude Tennstedt who is one of my favorite Mahler conductors --- his EMI (Warner) cycle is a huge favorite of mine.
 
Hello everyone!


I would like to buy Bernstein‘s Sony Mahler Cycle. This decision is also influenced by the information found on this board, so thank you.

At least in Germany, there are currently two boxes available.

The first is the one showing the cover also seen a few posts above (i.e. Bernstein conducting), published in 2012. It contains the Kindertotenlieder in addition to the symphonies.

The second one shows a black and white cover of Bernstein „hugging“ himself and it has been published in 2020. This one includes Das Lied von der Erde.

To my knowledge, the (re)mastering of the symphonies is identical. So the decision comes down to the addendum (Kindertotenlieder vs. Das Lied von der Erde), the packaging, and the price.

Currently, the 2020 box costs approx. 8 EUR more. I would be willing to pay this to get a bit more music. However, I do not find any information regarding the new box packaging. The 2012 box seems to include nice replica jackets and a worthwhile booklet. And I have to confess that I am a sucker for good packaging and accompanying materials. One of the reasons why I cannot move away from physical media just yet…

Could anyone give me a pointer re packaging of the 2020 box?


Thank you and have a great day!
 
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Hello everyone!


I would like to buy Bernstein‘s Sony Mahler Cycle. This decision is also influenced by the information found on this board, so thank you.

At least in Germany, there are currently two boxes available.

The first is the one showing the cover also seen a few posts above (i.e. Bernstein conducting), published in 2012. It contains the Kindertotenlieder in addition to the symphonies.

The second one shows a black and white cover of Bernstein „hugging“ himself and it has been published in 2020. This one includes Das Lied von der Erde.

To my knowledge, the (re)mastering of the symphonies is identical. So the decision comes down to the addendum (Kindertotenlieder vs. Das Lied von der Erde), the packaging, and the price.

Currently, the 2020 box costs approx. 8 EUR more. I would be willing to pay this to get a bit more music. However, I do not find any information regarding the new box packaging. The 2012 box seems to include nice replica jackets and a worthwhile booklet. And I have to confess that I am a sucker for good packaging and accompanying materials. One of the reasons why I cannot move away from physical media just yet…

Could anyone give me a pointer re packaging of the 2020 box?


Thank you and have a great day!
Buy this one:

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I say buy this one because these were DSD transfers from the Japan hybrid SACD set and they sound glorious. I kid you not! While it’s true you do not get his Das Lied von der Erde, you do get Baker’s Kindertotenlieder, which is a fine trade-off since I don’t think Bernstein’s Das Lied is that great of a performance. Others may disagree of course. Interestingly enough, neither this set nor the other you mention has Des Knaben Wunderhorn (w/ Christa Ludwig and Walter Berry). To my knowledge, this recording is only available separately and was never included in any of the Bernstein complete Mahler sets on Sony. Anyway, go for the one I posted a cover of --- you will not be sorry!
 
I have listened to a huge amount of Mahler over the last couple of months. My favourite sets at the moment are Boulez, Tennstedt and Vanska's. I guess the first two of these will be familiar to many here but that the last one will not be a popular pick on this forum. For me he is one of the very few conductors who have found ways to tell me new things about Mahler ... and I mostly love what he tells me. Of course, his approach is serious and deeply considered, perhaps even a little introverted, but he draws me in and I can't let go. He has a particular knack of making the whole deeply satisfying.
 
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I have listened to a huge amount of Mahler over the last couple of months. My favourite sets at the moment are Boulez, Tennstedt and Vanska's. I guess the first two of these will be familiar to many here but that the last one will not be a popular pick on this forum. For me he is one of the very few conductors who have found ways to tell me new things about Mahler ... and I mostly love what he tells me. Of course, his approach is serious and deeply considered, perhaps even a little introverted, but he draws me in and I can't let go. He has a particular knack of making the whole deeply satisfying.
Great to see you posting, @Enthusiast. I’ll have to check out Vänskä’s Mahler. I own all of his recordings thus far (only the 3rd hasn’t been released). He is, of course, one of my favorite Sibelius conductors. His cycle with the Lahti SO is just so refreshing to my ears.
 
I've been listening to more Bruckner in the past year. I don't really have favorites in Mahler. I have cycles by Bernstein, Boulez, Tennstedt, and Gielen. I listen to them all. As well as a few other versions of nos.5, 8, and Dad Lied.
 
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I've been listening to more Bruckner in the past year. I don't really have favorites in Mahler. I have cycles by Bernstein, Boulez, Tennstedt, and Gielen. I listen to them all. As well as a few other versions of nos.5, 8, and Dad Lied.
Which Bernstein cycle?
 
Great to see you posting, @Enthusiast. I’ll have to check out Vänskä’s Mahler. I own all of his recordings thus far (only the 3rd hasn’t been released). He is, of course, one of my favorite Sibelius conductors. His cycle with the Lahti SO is just so refreshing to my ears.
Thanks. I'm aiming for a minimalist approach to posting - only one or two posts a day! Yes I also (obviously) am a Vanska fan but most especially his more refined work from Minnesota. I do also value much of his Lahti Sibelius: when those discs started to come out they indeed seemed very fresh. I still love them and rate them highly.
 
I don know if anyone here has mentioned Michael Gielen's cycle with the SWR symphony orchestras. It might not be as great as some of the others discussed here, but I enjoy the clarity of his interpretations. Since he conducted a lot of music from the Second Viennese School, Gielen's looks forward in his interpretations of Mahler to the future rather than to the past. My favorites from this cycle are the Fifth, the Ninth, and the Tenth (Deryck Cooke edition). If the boxed set is still available somewhere, it also includes all of the lieder with orchestra, Das Lied von der Erde, and Blumine. There is a Gielen recording of Das Klagende Lied that was reissued not too long ago, but it's on a separate disc.

Of the cycles I have, I also really like Ozawa's with the BSO. It's a very Apollonian reading and somewhat detached, but it's very moving in places. I particularly like his First, Second, and Ninth. His Fifth is fine, but the Adagietto is way too slow for my taste and the coda doesn't really take off either. If somebody wants to listen to Mahler in plush sound, then Ozawa is your conductor.
 
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I don know if anyone here has mentioned Michael Gielen's cycle with the SWR symphony orchestras. It might not be as great as some of the others discussed here, but I enjoy the clarity of his interpretations. Since he conducted a lot of music from the Second Viennese School, Gielen's looks forward in his interpretations of Mahler to the future rather than to the past. My favorites from this cycle are the Fifth, the Ninth, and the Tenth (Deryck Cooke edition). If the boxed set is still available somewhere, it also includes all of the lieder with orchestra, Das Lied von der Erde, and Blumine. There is a Gielen recording of Das Klagende Lied that was reissued not too long ago, but it's on a separate disc.

Of the cycles I have, I also really like Ozawa's with the BSO. It's a very Apollonian reading and somewhat detached, but it's very moving in places. I particularly like his First, Second, and Ninth. His Fifth is fine, but the Adagietto is way too slow for my taste and the coda doesn't really take off either. If somebody wants to listen to Mahler in plush sound, then Ozawa is your conductor.
I mentioned Gielen previously and his cycle is one of the more consistent I’ve heard. Ozawa is quite a good Mahler conductor --- I own his BSO cycle on Philips, but I wouldn’t claim he’s a top favorite. What other cycles do you own and enjoy? There are so many Mahler cycles nowadays that even for the dedicated fan, it’s difficult to keep up with.
 
I mentioned Gielen previously and his cycle is one of the more consistent I’ve heard. Ozawa is quite a good Mahler conductor --- I own his BSO cycle on Philips, but I wouldn’t claim he’s a top favorite. What other cycles do you own and enjoy? There are so many Mahler cycles nowadays that even for the dedicated fan, it’s difficult to keep up with.
I have Abbado, Kubelik, and Chailly's cycles as well as the ones that I talked about above. I like Abbado's cycle a lot, especially his Sixth and Ninth. I think that he conducts the music objectively without indulging himself in it too much. His interpretations got better over time as well. His Sixth and Ninth are far better than his Fifth and First with Berlin which he recorded ten years before. I haven't heard any of his recent recordings or those that he recorded as a young man, but I think that he was a great Mahler conductor.

I don't have too much to say about Chailly or Kubelik's cycles because I haven't listened to them in any depth. I liked Kubelik's Fourth and First, but that's about it. As far as Chailly goes, his Ninth was rather dull, but his First was fine.

I also like Zubin Mehta's Fifth with the LA Phil a lot and his Third with the Israel Philharmonic, but he has never recorded a full Mahler cycle. If he did, I would probably buy it.
 
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I have Abbado, Kubelik, and Chailly's cycles as well as the ones that I talked about above. I like Abbado's cycle a lot, especially his Sixth and Ninth. I think that he conducts the music objectively without indulging himself in it too much. His interpretations got better over time as well. His Sixth and Ninth are far better than his Fifth and First with Berlin which he recorded ten years before. I haven't heard any of his recent recordings or those that he recorded as a young man, but I think that he was a great Mahler conductor.

I don't have too much to say about Chailly or Kubelik's cycles because I haven't listened to them in any depth. I liked Kubelik's Fourth and First, but that's about it. As far as Chailly goes, his Ninth was rather dull, but his First was fine.

I also like Zubin Mehta's Fifth with the LA Phil a lot and his Third with the Israel Philharmonic, but he has never recorded a full Mahler cycle. If he did, I would probably buy it.
Oh yes, I think Abbado is great in Mahler as well. There are some listeners who complain and moan about his Mahler, but I don’t care. I love EVERYTHING he recorded of Mahler including those DVD/Blu-ray releases with the Lucerne Festival Orchestra towards the end of his life. I may like this or that performance better, but I’ve never heard him take a wrong turn in Mahler. You definitely need to hear his 5th with the Chicago SO --- as good as the Berliner one was, this one is better. If I could take one Mahler Abbado recording to desert island, it would be his recording of the 3rd with the Wiener Philharmoniker (w/ Jessye Norman). This is the performance that actually turned me onto his Mahler, so I have some sentimental attachment to it.

Chailly’s cycle is excellent, but I never quite got on with his performance of the 6th. It feels emotionally empty to me and it’s a bit a slog to get through, because it seems like he’s not keeping the level of excitement where it needs to be. Of his cycle, I would say the 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 7th and 9th are the standout performances for me. Kubelik is good, too. As you rightfully pointed out, his performance of the 1st is outstanding, but I think his 2nd is just as inspired. The other symphonies receive similar dedication, but I think his live accounts on the Audite label are even more exciting. Check those out if you haven’t already.

I wish Mehta had recorded a whole Mahler cycle! His 2nd with the Wiener Philharmoniker is the stuff of legend. Incredible performance. His 1st and 3rd with the LA Philharmonic are great and his 3rd with the Israel Philharmonic you mentioned is also fantastic. I also like his 5th with the New York Philharmonic on Teldec a lot. This one doesn’t get mentioned too often. I haven’t really kept track with what he’s been doing over the last 20 years or so --- again, there’s just SO MUCH Mahler out there.

In terms of partial cycles, I rather like the James Levine recordings on RCA. His recording of the 3rd with the Chicago SO is one of the best I’ve ever heard. I also seem to recall the 5th from his survey being rather high quality.

Anyway, don’t get me started on Mahler...I’ll never shut up! :D
 
I don know if anyone here has mentioned Michael Gielen's cycle with the SWR symphony orchestras. It might not be as great as some of the others discussed here, but I enjoy the clarity of his interpretations. Since he conducted a lot of music from the Second Viennese School, Gielen's looks forward in his interpretations of Mahler to the future rather than to the past. My favorites from this cycle are the Fifth, the Ninth, and the Tenth (Deryck Cooke edition).
I have liked Gielen since his first SWF recordings came out on Intercord around 1990. The 4th is marred by the singer (as many are) and as you say, it's a rather modern approach that might sometimes be a bit too "cool" for some listeners, e.g. the 6th is fairly slow and not the most dramatic. My favs are probably the 7th and the 9th (there are several recordings of the latter).
 
Since last commenting on this thread i listened to lots of Mahler with many different artists but one that really blew me away is this Haitink 3rd:

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It has to be one of my favourite recordings on any symphony ever, it's just so clear and full of emotion.

I plan on starting Kubelik's DG cycle soon once i'm done with Vanska's recordings (cycle?).

A bit off-topic but i recently realized how few symphonies i actually like, even in composers who are among my favourites like Schumann and Rach i just never enjoyed their symphonies despite liking pretty much everything else they did, so i really have to give it to Mahler for writing 9(+1) that i absolutely love.
 
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One cycle that never seems to get a mention - and I ask because I have recently invested in it, and am starting to give it a listen - is Leif Segerstam's cycle on Chandos.......any thoughts ??
I certainly knew Segerstam has done a Mahler cycle, but let us know what you think about it whenever you get the opportunity.
 
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