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Rachmaninov - Piano Concerti (Recommendation)

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#1 ·
So I'm thinking about getting a nice set with the 4 concertos for piano. Any suggestions?? I have seen a couple of editions with Ashkenazy playing the piano. Are they any good?
 
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#4 ·
I am partial to the recent recordings by Stephen Hough with Andrew Litton leading Dallas.

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The composer's own recordings are interesting for reference but have quite poor sound.
 
#8 · (Edited)
I have no trouble hearing the piano, but I see what you mean -- the piano sound isn't so isolated and highlighted. Perhaps it has something to do with the live recording process?

I rather like how the piano at times blends seamlessly into the orchestra. There is little of the banging that Rach recordings are frequently criticized for. I'll give these another listen today...
 
#9 · (Edited)
There are several Ashkenazys, inclduing the early set with Previn and the later one with Haitink, plus the earliest no.3 with Fistoulari. The 3rd with Previn has an unusual, impressive broadness, including in the cadenza - quite a fascinating contrast to most other recordings.

Some interesting single recordings are

- Richter/DG in 2, Lang-Lang/DG
- Argerich in 3 + the early, historical, poor sound Horowitz ones such as with Reiner, Barbirolli and Coates
- Michelangeli in 4
- Rubinstein/Sabata in the Paganini Rapsody (historical, poor sound)
 
#11 ·
I joined specificly to give you guys my reccomendation. This may be my only post since you often focus on post-ww1 composers and I don't want to to comment on them until I have much more experience with them, which I might never have- I love my 19th-century, Debussy/Stravinsky-era and Baroque composers Soooooo much, but who knows....
Anyway, I reccomend Rachmaninoff's own recordings.
First, and most importantly- these performances may change your life. Really.
second, it is the composer himself.
3rd, he is maybe the greatest pianist in history.
finally, the sound. I know there is hiss in the background, but the Presence of the music... Oh. My. God. It feels like Rachmaninoff, the piano and the entire Philadelphia Orchestra is two feet away... or less!
And the way Rachmaninoff and the Orchestra perform..... Wow. Seriously, maybe my favorite recording of anything, including Led Zeppelin and the Bohm/Birgit Nilsson Tristan.

Just my two cents' worth.
 
#13 ·
If you want all four concerti and PagRhap by the same performers, then Askenazy is a good choice. But why not sample around? Entremont recorded a fine version of 4th on vinyl in 1960s. Argerich's 3rd is too manic for me. Lisitsa's 2nd is lovely. And Stephen Hough is an excellent Rachmaninoff interpreter, in my opinion. Others will disagree, which is as it should be.
 
#23 ·
I find Ashkenazy as the soloist a little syrupy myself. For full sets, Wild/Horenstein is probably my favorite, but Hough/Litton, Kocsis/de Waart, Thibaudet/Ashkenazy, and Andsnes/Pappano are all really good. And Rach himself is of course authoritative (although I feel maybe a little dryer than is my real ideal).

Not sure that one should shop for these as a set though, the reality is I listen to 2 and 3 many times more than i listen to 1 and 4. 2 and 3 have great non-set versions--Richter/Sanderling in #2 is basically unmatched, Yuja Wang/Dudamel and Janis/Dorati have great #2 and #3s.
 
#25 ·
Has anybody heard "5", by the way? I know - he didn't write it himself. It's based on the 2nd Symphony. I probably would never have listened it to myself since it's not "original", but I became familiar with it before I knew he didn't compose it.
Surprisingly, it's definitely worth a listen. YouTube has a nice Schmitt-Leonardy recording.
 
#26 ·
Rachmaninoff played his concertos like no one else. He was simultaneously cool, heroic, and poetic. His fine sense of rubato - imaginative, infinitely subtle, never exaggerated - and his ability to execute the most complex and delicate filigree with utter clarity and a nonchalance which is never superficial, made him an aristocrat of the piano. Defying the impression we sometimes have of his music, he played without a trace of sentimental indulgence or histrionics, and from under his huge, powerful, sensitive hands these works emerge in their full stature.

Of others I have, Wild is exciting but driven, Hough consciously taking a Rach-like approach but missing too much of the poetry. Horowitz's Third is incomparable in its own way (Rachmaninoff agreed) and must always be heard, Ashkenazy is warm (under Previn or Haitink) and a solid recommendation, there's a gorgeous, meditative First Concerto by Volkov, an interesting Second by Katchen, and a classic Third by Cliburn. Many like Argerich in the Third; for me she's a little overheated, more Argerich than Rachmaninoff.

Whatever your modern preferences, give the composer a chance to teach you something about his music and about playing the piano. The sound is boxy and shallow, but it doesn't matter.
 
#41 ·
Trifonov in Rachmaninov 2 and 4 from DGG.

Lots of great choices but I think now Daniil Trifonov in the Rachmaninov 3rd cannot be ignored.
On the way in October:

Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 2 in C minor, Op. 18
The Philadelphia Orchestra
Yannick Nézet-Séguin
Daniil Trifonov (piano)
Rachmaninov: Suite From Partita In E For Violin (after J S Bach)
Daniil Trifonov (piano)
Rachmaninov: Piano Concerto No. 4 in G minor, Op. 40
The Philadelphia Orchestra
Yannick Nézet-Séguin
Daniil Trifonov (piano)

www.prestoclassical.co.uk says:
>>>Grammy winner Daniil Trifonov presents a cycle of Sergei Rachmaninov's highly virtuosic Piano Concertos.
Recorded with Yannick Nézet-Séguin and the Philadelphia Orchestra, the orchestra most closely associated with the composer with which Rachmaninov himself famously recorded the set of concerti over 80 years ago.
The two-part "Journey with Rachmaninov" begins with DESTINATION RACHMANINOV - DEPARTURE, including the great Piano Concerto No. 2, probably Rachmaninov's best-loved work, paired with the equally beautiful and rarely performed 4th Concerto. These voluminous works are contrasted with a taste of Rachmaninov the master miniaturist, with solo piano transcriptions of Bach's Partita in E Major.<<<
 
#42 · (Edited)
In addition to Rachmaninov's own recordings, I think highly of the set from pianist Agustin Anievas & conductor Rafael FrĂĽbeck de Burgos (along with Wild/Horenstein, Ashkenazy/Previn, and Vasary/Ahronovitch):

https://www.amazon.com/Rachmaninov-...rds=augustin+anievas+rachmaninov&dpID=61ew05AQSnL&preST=_SX342_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
https://www.amazon.com/Rachmaninoff...3ad-11e8-b57f-bb83f84ca79e&pd_rd_i=B000003FGS&psc=1&refRID=HQV055E9WB1F0JYE15DC
https://www.amazon.com/Piano-Concer...AQMJ/ref=sr_1_2?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1531164109&sr=1-2&keywords=wild+rachmaninov

Among individual recordings, I wouldn't want to be with Vladimir Horowitz, Emil Gilels, Lazar Berman, and Bruno Leonardo Gelber in the Rach 3rd, Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli in the 4th, and Sviatoslav Richter in the 2nd:

https://www.amazon.com/Rachmaninoff...00FYHQ1&pf_rd_s=desktop-dp-sims&pf_rd_t=40701&psc=1&refRID=0GRTZRE7CE8AY00FYHQ1
https://www.amazon.com/Rachmaninov-...e=UTF8&qid=1531161545&sr=1-1-catcorr&keywords=bruno+leonardo+gelber+rachmaninov
https://www.amazon.com/Rachmaninov-...1-1&keywords=richter+rachmaninov&dpID=51H87PJZ8LL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
https://www.amazon.com/Piano-Concer...=1-2&keywords=gilels+rachmaninov&dpID=51lSZuz5SxL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
https://www.amazon.com/Rachmaninoff...eywords=lazar+berman+rachmaninov&dpID=61O6y1QLG-L&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
https://www.amazon.com/Ravel-Concer...eywords=michelangeli+rachmaninov&dpID=61s2e5uxgNL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch

Among digital era sets, Mikhail Rudy's EMI set is good (along with Ashkenazy & Haitink).

My two cents.
 
#45 ·
The Ashkenazy set is very good. There are no cuts and the original cadenzas are used. But I would concentrate on various performances of the PC#3. This is the piece worth exploring performances of. The recommendations for this piece are endless, but I would google the piece into into your browser and start with You Tube. Enjoy.

Dan