[new but obsessed]

If you don't have time for all of that, at least take a few minutes to listen to Pur Ti Miro from l'Incoronazione di Poppea:

I don't quite have seven hours today, unfortunately. I've found those same three recordings on Apple Music. Are you able to suggest a few tracks from the Vespro and Madrigal albums?

Thanks!

 

[Chilham]

I don't quite have seven hours today, unfortunately. I've found those same three recordings on Apple Music. Are you able to suggest a few tracks from the Vespro and Madrigal albums?

Thanks!

For the madrigals:
Il Ballo delle Ingrate
Lamento della Ninfa
Il Combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda

I'll see what I've got for the Vespers.

 

[Mandryka]

And bad sound but quite a performance here from the end of Incoronazione

 

[Mandryka]

You've moved from Machaut to this in three weeks!

 

[Chilham]

You've moved from Machaut to this in three weeks!

Got to cover 100 recommendations per week and there's simply not enough recommendations to justify spending longer here, despite me finding additional sources purely for this period. I know it's not perfect, and I know you're not happy about it, but as others have said, the time allocation is about right. Blame the music writers, the radio stations, the academic establishments, the websites, not me.

 

[Mandryka]

others have said, the time allocation is about right. .

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[new but obsessed]

For the madrigals:
Il Ballo delle Ingrate
Lamento della Ninfa
Il Combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda

I'll see what I've got for the Vespers.

I'm liking Monteverdi. I particularly love that first section of Il Combattimento ('Non schivar...'). Would love to see some live one day.

I also think I can sense that lineage from de la Halle and the troubadour music and instrumentation (those twangy strings), and quite distinct in tamber from the Romantic music I'm most familiar with. But the form certainly fully fits my idea of what opera is, unlike Robin & Marion.

Very interesting listens!

 

[Jogaga]

I'm really suprised about the Monteverdi's, Claudio: l'Orfeo.

The choir parts are so big and wide. Really stunning.

 

[Chilham]

Some of my favourite music here:

Level 1
No works

Level 2
No works

Level 3
Monteverdi, Claudio: l'Orfeo
Monteverdi, Claudio: l'Incoronazione di Poppea, SV308 esp. Act 3: "Pur ti miro"
Monteverdi, Claudio: Vespro della Beata Vergine (Vespers of 1610)
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book VIII "Madrigali Guerrieri et Amorosi" inc. Il Ballo delle Ingrate, Lamento della Ninfa, Il Combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda

Level 4
Dowland, John: Lachrimae
Gesualdo, Carlo: Madrigali a cinque voci, Libro sesto inc. Moro, Lasso, Resto di Dormi Noia
Byrd, William: Mass for Five Voices
Byrd, William: Mass for Four Voices
Victoria, Tomás Luis de: Officium Defunctorum (Requiem)
Gabrieli, Giovanni: Sacrae Symphoniae esp. Sonata Pian'e Forte
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book 5 inc. Cruda Amarilli
Dowland, John: First Booke of Songes inc. v. Can She Excuse My …, vi. The Frog Galliard, xvii. Come Again, Sweet Love Doth Now Invite
Byrd, William: Ave Verum Corpus

My listening today will include:

Dowland: Lachrimae

Elizabeth Kenney, Phantasm

Gesualdo: Madrigali a Cinque Voci

Philippe Herreweghe, Collegium Vocale Gent

Byrd: Mass for Five Voices

Philippe Herreweghe, Collegium Vocale Gent

Victoria: Requiem

Peter Phillips, The Tallis Scholars

Dowland: First Booke of Songes

Anthony Rooley, The Consort of Musicke

 

[Chilham]

It's not that I don't empathise with Mandryka. I could spend a month here.

Level 1
No works

Level 2
No works

Level 3
Monteverdi, Claudio: l'Orfeo
Monteverdi, Claudio: l'Incoronazione di Poppea, SV308 esp. Act 3: "Pur ti miro"
Monteverdi, Claudio: Vespro della Beata Vergine (Vespers of 1610)
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book VIII "Madrigali Guerrieri et Amorosi" inc. Il Ballo delle Ingrate, Lamento della Ninfa, Il Combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda

Level 4
Dowland, John: Lachrimae
Byrd, William: Gradualia inc. For 5 voices Justorum Animae, For 4 voices Ave Verum Corpus, For 3 Voices Haec Dies
Gesualdo, Carlo: Madrigali a cinque voci, Libro sesto esp. Moro, Lasso, Resto di Dormi Noia
Byrd, William: Mass for Five Voices
Byrd, William: Mass for Four Voices
Victoria, Tomás Luis de: Officium Defunctorum (Requiem)
Gabrieli, Giovanni: Sacrae Symphoniae inc. Sonata Pian'e Forte
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book 5 inc.Cruda Amarilli
Dowland, John: First Booke of Songes esp. v. Can She Excuse My …, vi. The Frog Galliard, xvii. Come Again, Sweet Love Doth Now Invite

Level 5
Dowland, John: Second Booke of Songes inc. I Saw My Lady Weep, Flow My Tears, Sorrow, Sorrow, Stay,
Monteverdi, Claudio: Il Ritorno d'Ulysse in Patria
Morley, Thomas First Book of Ayres: It Was a Lover and His Lass, Will You Buy Me a Fine Dog
Gesualdo, Carlo: Tenebrae Responsories Part 1
Monteverdi, Claudio: Scherzi Musicali cioè arie et madrigali inc. Zefiro Torna e di soavi accenti, SV 251
Bull, John: Fitzwilliam Virginal Book esp. Walsingham Variations, The King's Hunt, The Spanish Paven, Fantasia, Parthenia
Byrd, William: Cantiones sacrae inc. O Lux Beata Trinitas
Byrd, William: Fitzwilliam Virginal Book esp. The Bells, The Earle of Oxford's Marche, Wolsey's Wylde, Sellinger's Round
Cavalieri, Emilio de': Rappresentatione di anima et di corpo esp. Anima Mia Che Pensi
Peri, Jacopo: La Dafne - see Gaglianio 1582

My listening today will include:

Bull, Byrd: Fitzwilliam Virginal Book

Kit Armstrong

Byrd: Cantiones sacrae

David Skinner, Alamire

Gesualdo: Tenebrae Responsories

Philippe Herreweghe, Collegium Vocale Gent

Monteverdi: Il Ritorno d'Ulisse in Patria

Rene Jacobs, Concerto Vocale, Danielle Borst, Guillemette Laurens, Jennifer Larmore, Michael Schopper

Monteverdi: Zefiro Torna e di Soavi Accenti

Christina Pluhar, Nuria Rial, Philippe Jaroussky, L'Arpeggiata

 

[Chilham]

Just the top-half of Level 6 today.

Level 1
No works

Level 2
No works

Level 3
Monteverdi, Claudio: l'Orfeo
Monteverdi, Claudio: l'Incoronazione di Poppea, SV308 esp. Act 3: "Pur ti miro"
Monteverdi, Claudio: Vespro della Beata Vergine (Vespers of 1610)
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book VIII "Madrigali Guerrieri et Amorosi" inc. Il Ballo delle Ingrate, Lamento della Ninfa, Il Combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda

Level 4
Dowland, John: Lachrimae
Byrd, William: Gradualia inc. For 5 voices Justorum Animae, For 4 voices Ave Verum Corpus, For 3 Voices Haec Dies
Gesualdo, Carlo: Madrigali a cinque voci, Libro sesto esp. Moro, Lasso, Resto di Dormi Noia
Byrd, William: Mass for Five Voices
Byrd, William: Mass for Four Voices
Victoria, Tomás Luis de: Officium Defunctorum (Requiem)
Gabrieli, Giovanni: Sacrae Symphoniae inc. Sonata Pian'e Forte
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book 5 inc.Cruda Amarilli
Dowland, John: First Booke of Songes esp. v. Can She Excuse My …, vi. The Frog Galliard, xvii. Come Again, Sweet Love Doth Now Invite

Level 5
Dowland, John: Second Booke of Songes inc. I Saw My Lady Weep, Flow My Tears, Sorrow, Sorrow, Stay,
Monteverdi, Claudio: Il Ritorno d'Ulysse in Patria
Morley, Thomas First Book of Ayres: It Was a Lover and His Lass, Will You Buy Me a Fine Dog
Gesualdo, Carlo: Tenebrae Responsories Part 1
Monteverdi, Claudio: Scherzi Musicali cioè arie et madrigali inc. Zefiro Torna e di soavi accenti, SV 251
Bull, John: Fitzwilliam Virginal Book esp. Walsingham Variations, The King's Hunt, The Spanish Paven, Fantasia, Parthenia
Byrd, William: Cantiones sacrae inc. O Lux Beata Trinitas
Byrd, William: Fitzwilliam Virginal Book esp. The Bells, The Earle of Oxford's Marche, Wolsey's Wylde, Sellinger's Round
Cavalieri, Emilio de': Rappresentatione di anima et di corpo esp. Anima Mia Che Pensi
Peri, Jacopo: La Dafne - see Gaglianio 1582

Level 6
Byrd, William: "Qui Passe: For My Ladye Nevill"
Caccini, Giulio: Le Nuove Musiche
Gabrieli, Giovanni: In Ecclesiis
Byrd, William: Infelix Ego
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book IV esp. Sì ch'io vorrei morire hora ch'io bacio amore, Io Me Son Giovinetta, A Un Giro Sol
Byrd, William: Great Service
Gabrieli, Giovanni: Canzoni XIII
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book VI esp.Lamento d'Arianna, Lagrime d'amante
Byrd, William, Gibbons, Orlando: Parthenia inc. Pavan: The Earl of Salisbury
Marenzio, Luca: Madrigali a 5 voci Libro 9 esp. Solo e Pensoso
Morley, Thomas: The First Book of Ballets to Five Voices inc. Now is the Month of Maying, Fire, Fire My Heart, My Bonny Lass She Smileth, Sing We and Chant It
Morley, Thomas and others: The Triumphes of Oriana inc. Morley: Hard by a Crystal Fountain

My listening today will include:

Byrd My Ladye Nevells Book & Parthenia

Kit Armstrong

Byrd: Infelix Ego

Philippe Herreweghe, Collegium Vocale Gent

Byrd: The Great Service

Odyssean Ensemble, Colm Carey, Christian Wilson

Caccini: La Nuove Musiche 3, 8, 11 & 22

Roberta Mameli, Luca Pianca

Morley: The Triumphs of Oriana

I Fagiolini, Robert Hollingworth, David Miller

 

[Chilham]

This is pretty:

Marenzio: Madrigal a 5 Voce Libro 9, Solo e Pensoso

La Venexiana

 

[Mandryka]

This is pretty:

Marenzio: Madrigal a 5 Voce Libro 9, Solo e Pensoso

La Venexiana

Yes.

Alessandrini's Marenzio is a great favourite of mine.

The sort of polyphony you hear in Italian madrigals has recently inspired some new ideas about how to play J S Bach's keyboard music. I just mention this because it may be useful to think about when you're listening to Bach performance.

 

[Chilham]

The rest of Level 6 today, those works with two recommendations:

Level 1
No works

Level 2
No works

Level 3
Monteverdi, Claudio: l'Orfeo
Monteverdi, Claudio: l'Incoronazione di Poppea, SV308 esp. Act 3: "Pur ti miro"
Monteverdi, Claudio: Vespro della Beata Vergine (Vespers of 1610)
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book VIII "Madrigali Guerrieri et Amorosi" inc. Il Ballo delle Ingrate, Lamento della Ninfa, Il Combattimento di Tancredi e Clorinda

Level 4
Dowland, John: Lachrimae
Byrd, William: Gradualia inc. For 5 voices Justorum Animae, For 4 voices Ave Verum Corpus, For 3 Voices Haec Dies
Gesualdo, Carlo: Madrigali a cinque voci, Libro sesto esp. Moro, Lasso, Resto di Dormi Noia
Byrd, William: Mass for Five Voices
Byrd, William: Mass for Four Voices
Victoria, Tomás Luis de: Officium Defunctorum (Requiem)
Gabrieli, Giovanni: Sacrae Symphoniae inc. Sonata Pian'e Forte
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book 5 inc.Cruda Amarilli
Dowland, John: First Booke of Songes esp. v. Can She Excuse My …, vi. The Frog Galliard, xvii. Come Again, Sweet Love Doth Now Invite

Level 5
Dowland, John: Second Booke of Songes inc. I Saw My Lady Weep, Flow My Tears, Sorrow, Sorrow, Stay,
Monteverdi, Claudio: Il Ritorno d'Ulysse in Patria
Morley, Thomas First Book of Ayres: It Was a Lover and His Lass, Will You Buy Me a Fine Dog
Gesualdo, Carlo: Tenebrae Responsories Part 1
Monteverdi, Claudio: Scherzi Musicali cioè arie et madrigali inc. Zefiro Torna e di soavi accenti, SV 251
Bull, John: Fitzwilliam Virginal Book esp. Walsingham Variations, The King's Hunt, The Spanish Paven, Fantasia, Parthenia
Byrd, William: Cantiones sacrae inc. O Lux Beata Trinitas
Byrd, William: Fitzwilliam Virginal Book esp. The Bells, The Earle of Oxford's Marche, Wolsey's Wylde, Sellinger's Round
Cavalieri, Emilio de': Rappresentatione di anima et di corpo esp. Anima Mia Che Pensi
Peri, Jacopo: La Dafne - see Gaglianio 1582

Level 6
Byrd, William: "Qui Passe: For My Ladye Nevill"
Caccini, Giulio: Le Nuove Musiche
Gabrieli, Giovanni: In Ecclesiis
Byrd, William: Infelix Ego
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book IV esp. Sì ch'io vorrei morire hora ch'io bacio amore, Io Me Son Giovinetta, A Un Giro Sol
Byrd, William: Great Service
Gabrieli, Giovanni: Canzoni XIII
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book VI esp.Lamento d'Arianna, Lagrime d'amante
Byrd, William, Gibbons, Orlando: Parthenia inc. Pavan: The Earl of Salisbury
Marenzio, Luca: Madrigali a 5 voci Libro 9 esp. Solo e Pensoso
Morley, Thomas: The First Book of Ballets to Five Voices inc. Now is the Month of Maying, Fire, Fire My Heart, My Bonny Lass She Smileth, Sing We and Chant It
Morley, Thomas and others: The Triumphes of Oriana inc. Morley: Hard by a Crystal Fountain
Byrd, William: Mass for Three Voices
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book III inc. Vattene pur Crudel
Monteverdi, Claudio: Selva Morale e Spirituale
Monteverdi, Claudio: Madrigals Book VII esp. Chiome d'oro, Tirsi e Clori
Dowland, John: A Musical Banquet esp. iii. In Darkness Let Me Dwell
Gesualdo, Carlo: Madrigali a cinque voci, Libro cinqo inc. Deh, Coprite il Bel Seno, Dolcissima Mia Vita
Victoria, Tomás Luis de: Missa Vidi Speciosam
Dowland, John: Third and Last Booke of Songes or Aires inc. Say Love, Weep you no more, sad fountains
Byrd, William: Psalmes, Sonets and Songs of Sadness and Pietie inc. Though Amaryllis Dance in Green, Come to Me Grief For Ever
Byrd, William: Songs of Sundrie Natures: I Thought That Love Had Been a Boy, Who Made Thee, Hob, Forsake the Plough
Victoria, Tomás Luis de: Missa Pro Victoria
Sweelinck, Jan Pieterswoon: Cantiones Sacrae
Hassler, Hans Leo: Lustgarten Neuer Teuscher Gesãng
Anon.: A Newe Northen Dittye of ye Ladye Greene Sleves - Song and Divisions

My listening today:

Monteverdi: Selva Morale e Sprituale

Claudio Cavina, La Venexiana

If you don't have the time today:

 

[Mandryka]

Monteverdi v is one to listen to. It marks the transition from renaissance to baroque. Renaissance style at the start of Bk V, baroque at the end.

 

[Mandryka]

Dowland, John: Third and Last Booke of Songes or Aires inc. Say Love, Weep you no more, sad fountains

What are the options for Dowland Bk 3 on record? Obviously there's Rooley, is there anything else?

 

[Chilham]

What are the options for Dowland Bk 3 on record? Obviously there's Rooley, is there anything else?

I couldn't find anything with all 21 songs. There's quite a few of songs on various, "Lute music", or Dowland compilations.

 

[Mandryka]

I couldn't find anything with all 21 songs. There's quite a few of songs on various, "Lute music", or Dowland compilations.

Yes, it looks to me as though Rooley's the only one. The Rooley is reliably good I think, I mentioned it because I don't think I've ever paid attention to Bk 3 before today, when I saw it on your list. I don't have a very good grasp of Dowland's development.

 

[Chilham]

Monteverdi v is one to listen to. It marks the transition from renaissance to baroque. Renaissance style at the start of Bk V, baroque at the end.

I've focused on other, new-to-me, Monteverdi material this week but have time today for this:

Monteverdi: Madrigals Book V

Krijn Koetsveld, Le Nuove Musiche

 

[Mandryka]

I've focused on other, new-to-me, Monteverdi material this week but have time today for this:

Monteverdi: Madrigals Book V

Krijn Koetsveld, Le Nuove Musiche

Did you enjoy the selva morale? I've never got very far exploring it in fact, and I'm wondering whether to give it more time. There's a lot of it! I just started to listen to a « best of » recording by Antonio Eros Negri, whose Willaert I quite enjoyed - this sounds rather fun in fact! Maybe in the past I've been listening to the wrong performances.

The other problem Monteverdi for me is Ulysse - which I think has some really memorable things in it but somehow the whole has left not much of an impact. I think I once read that there are some unresolved textual problems with it, maybe that's the root of the problem I have.